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February 11, 2014

With proposals for the Keystone XL oil pipeline, which will more safely and more efficiently connect new north prairie oilfields with existing gulf coast refineries, recently clearing major hurdles......

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BornHere

Feb-19-14 7:31 PM

Law allowing Keystone pipeline in Nebraska struck down.

See: USA TODAY 2-19-2014

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BornHere

Feb-14-14 11:11 AM

It seems that the contractor that was hired to write the State Dept. environmental impact statement for the Keystone XL pipeline LIED on the application.

When asked if they had any relationship with the entities that would benefit from the approval of the pipeline in the past 3 years, the contractor answered there were none, when in fact the contractor had done work with numerous industries that would benefit from the pipeline.

In legal terms that is called a Conflict of Interest, it amazes me the extent they will go through to get that oil to port.

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MimLogue

Feb-14-14 8:08 AM

mr shaman"The pipeline will reduce the cost of energy and lower priced energy is a big job creator

Like happened here in Williamsport 5 years in where?? oil is up over 1100$ a tank? and they are using 50 tankers a day to run our power plant cause they shut off the natural gas to the plant.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-13-14 6:11 AM

BornHere,

It will be an interesting case with far reaching ramifications. I think the line does benefit Texans because it brings the oil to the refineries and in turn the products are used, piped or trucked across other common modes of transportation that have used eminent domain. Also I have seen jobs at a local engineering firm where they were working on that project for an other O&G company. So local jobs were created. We become such an integrated society that it is hard to say that it doesn't positively impact people in the state. Just my thoughts, will be interesting to see how TC plays it.

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rmiller

Feb-12-14 6:32 PM

Mim,

Do you have any idea how many jobs have been lost due to "environmentalist" screaming and bemoaning the pangs of pre-supposed damage by industry?

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BornHere

Feb-12-14 11:54 AM

Jerry, we were talking about this a few months ago remember?

The EPA Finally Moves to Oversee Diesel Fuel Use in Fracking Fluids.

See: Climate Progress 2-12-2014

The use of diesel fuel has actually been going on for almost a decade.

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BornHere

Feb-12-14 10:10 AM

Texas, there's a court case now going on in Austin that the Texas Supreme Court ruled in favor of a landowner on eminent domain.

And if this landowner wins this will determine whether or not TransCanada and other foreign companies will be allowed to use eminent domain or common carrier. TransCanada was suppose to respond to the court by Feb. 6, 2014 to prove their case but they only responded by saying "they feel this case should be thrown out", and that was not what the judge wanted, so the case will continue.

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pinecr

Feb-12-14 9:36 AM

Once again the gas industry cheerleader, erik...., waying in and saying "nothing".

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pinecr

Feb-12-14 9:32 AM

IMPEACH THE *******

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MrShaman

Feb-12-14 9:14 AM

"but who cares about people? money and profit are all that matters for the royalist." - MimLogue

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I had no idea you were such an anti-capitalist.

It's time you get on-board...

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See:

Gordon Gekko - "I create nothing, I own." - YouTube

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MrShaman

Feb-12-14 9:09 AM

"...And, as to Texas-refineries' profit-margin (thru overseas'-sales)...MEGA!!!!!" --MrShaman

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"Go build some in Philly or Boston or NY or DC; that would be ok." - ToTEXASfromPA

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No...I'm thinking British Colombia will be a "little" closer to Canada's customer-base.

(Lemme guess...you weren't a Geography Major, right??)

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MimLogue

Feb-12-14 8:59 AM

Now the "royalist are manipulating the gas market to get what they want accomplished.

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MimLogue

Feb-12-14 8:57 AM

We waste so much power, look at yourself today and see what you could have done to save energy turn off the lights, tv, stop warming up your car for an hour my neighbor!!!

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MimLogue

Feb-12-14 8:55 AM

but who cares about people? money and profit are all that matters for the royalist.

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MimLogue

Feb-12-14 8:54 AM

Keystone pipeline would effectively open the entire U.S. market and international markets to tar sands crude and spell disaster for our climate.

Keystone XL and the other two pipelines that have been built recently could more than triple U.S. consumption of tar sands oil – one of the most polluting and carbon-intensive fuels in the world. If expansion of tar sands goes unchecked, it will be impossible to reach our goals to reduce global warming pollution, seriously harming both people and wildlife.

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MrShaman

Feb-12-14 6:12 AM

"It doesn't take much to cut through the crap the right says." - CMReeder

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...And, due to their bad case o' the "dwindles"...there's fewer o' them, nearly daily.

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See:

Yet Another Republican Flees the GOP Citing Blatant Misogyny, Bigotry and Racism | Crooks and Liars

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MrShaman

Feb-12-14 6:08 AM

"The liberal stupidity and misinformation is incredible.

There are millions who use natural gas now. They will benefit right now from lower prices due to increased supply.

Pipelines also allow for more production of propane....a shortage in the Midwest killed people less than a month ago." - eriklatranyi

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Any chance you'll get-BACK to the Keystone-sludge, any time soon?

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MrShaman

Feb-12-14 6:04 AM

"Farmer, regarding your observation of conservatives commenting 100 times more on race, apparently you either do not read, or do not remember, many of Shaman's posts." - cheyenne

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Aw, c'mon...I can't take credit for ALL the "conservative"-"scalps", taken, here...as a result o' their racism!!

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MrShaman

Feb-12-14 6:01 AM

“CBO estimates that the ACA will cause a reduction of roughly 1 percent in aggregate labor compensation over the 2017-2024 period, compared with what it would have been otherwise.

It’s hard to dispute government’s own estimates, which support arguments about government’s negative effect upon the economy and the middle class." - underwood

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...Especially when you "swallow" the FAUX Noise spin.

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See:

Paul Krugman - The Colbert Report - 2014-06-02 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-12-14 6:00 AM

"...And, as to Texas-refineries' profit-margin (thru overseas'-sales)...MEGA!!!!!" --MrShaman

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Go build some in Philly or Boston or NY or DC; that would be ok.

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MrShaman

Feb-12-14 5:50 AM

"The pipeline is still a few year project. As to price to U.S. consumers, betcha it turns out to be minimal." - spike2

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...And, as to Texas-refineries' profit-margin (thru overseas'-sales)...MEGA!!!!!

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MrShaman

Feb-12-14 5:46 AM

"The pipeline will reduce the cost of energy and lower priced energy is a big job creator. It's short sighted narrow thinking liberals like Sham that keep the economy down." - enigma

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Like I said...NOT A CLUE.

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MrShaman

Feb-12-14 5:43 AM

"We have to wait for Buffet to get out of the tanker business first and finish buying stock in the pipeline companies" - Steelman

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"You wouldn't be saying that Obama is corrupt would you?" - enigma

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I think MOST people are saying...you (Teabaggers) don't have a clue.

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"Chinese investors have helped to finance early work on an alternate route out of Alberta. That pipeline would take the oil west across the Canadian Rocky Mountains to the Pacific Ocean, where tankers could ship it to Asia. But the project so far appears a pipe dream because of STEEP OPPOSITION from CANADIAN ENVIRONMENTALISTS and NATIVE INDIAN NATIONS that control parts of the route through British Columbia."

See:

Is Canadian Oil Bound for China Via Pipeline to Texas? - National Geographic

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-12-14 5:40 AM

BornHere,

But land owners do have certain rights which companies provide documentation to them explaining the rights they do have under eminent domain (ED) and one of them is to be compensated at fair market value (FMV). If they don't think it is FMV then they can contest it; I would too. The judges review the data very carefully in coming up with the determinations for a common carrier line.

In order to have ED rights, you need to be a common carrier line, forever. A private owned line does not have rights on condemnation. So other people along the route are able to put their products in the line until the point that all the capacity is taken. Your opinion is that it may not serve the US citizens/public but the courts have determined that they do meet the criteria. Certainly the line benefits Canadians but it also benefits the US. Similarly, you have foreigners drive the US highways everyday but they also benefit US citizens.

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MrShaman

Feb-12-14 5:31 AM

"President Obama, Former Interior Secretary Ken Salazar and NY DNC Chairman John Sullivan have all endorsed hydraulic fracturing." - eriklatranyi

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Let's TRY to stay on-subject, here....

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See:

Tar Sands Action » Key Facts on Keystone XL

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