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Outrageous scheme could cost taxpayers up to $100 million

February 17, 2014

Members of Congress are beginning to hear about an outrageous scheme that may have cost taxpayers as much as $100 millio....

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Capricorn1

Feb-18-14 11:09 AM

Shaman, I was on the test team in Patuxent River the last six years before being approved the V-22 for operations. I think we accomplished more in those six years than they did the previous 14. Hopefully you are right and DOD is finally waking up. They are going to have to tighten their belts even further because with the drawdown in Afghanistan, they are going to have to do the mission with a lot less. I just hope they attack the waste and abuse in defense contracts first before looking at the boots on the ground for cuts. I also wish they would cut other departments and force them to do more with less. The amount of waste, fraud and abuse in government is staggering and the amount I witnessed in the DOD was a disgrace. Imagine what we could with the hundreds in billions in waste every year. I'm sure you noticed that is my biggest pet peeve.

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MrShaman

Feb-18-14 10:32 AM

"Shaman, it's about time! These military contractors need to start to be held responsible for the enormous cost overruns for these weapon platforms. They had the same problem with the V-22 and Bell and Boeing. They need to hold their feet to the fire and have the contracts penalize these companies, instead of just giving them a blank checkbook." - Capricorn1

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BINGO!!!!!!!!

I've gotta admit...I never expected the Osprey to prove-out...but, they did manage to come-up with a properly-functioning design.

My experiences were with the F-22. With it's design/assembly spread-out, all-OVER the U.S., it just seemed to take FOREVER to have design-changes approved/filtered-down.

The military DOES seem to have (FINALLY) adopted Japan's manufacturing "code of conduct"; perfection (before "release"), rather-than "good enough".

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Capricorn1

Feb-18-14 8:41 AM

Shaman, it's about time! These military contractors need to start to be held responsible for the enormous cost overruns for these weapon platforms. They had the same problem with the V-22 and Bell and Boeing. They need to hold their feet to the fire and have the contracts penalize these companies, instead of just giving them a blank checkbook.

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Capricorn1

Feb-18-14 8:34 AM

It wouldn't hurt to have a "little"-more RIGID-OVERSIGHT, of recruiters, as well. After all...whether they've signed-up for the job, or not...active-members of our military, in other countries, ARE U.S. "AMBASSADORS"!! -Shaman

I totally agree and it is not condoned. The quota system while necessary, places an enormous amount of stress on these recruiters, and their success can make or break their career.

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MrShaman

Feb-18-14 8:29 AM

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BTW...it's lookin' like the military has FINALLY "taken-off their gloves"!

See:

Is The F-35 Worth It? - CBS News

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MrShaman

Feb-18-14 8:28 AM

"Silverfeather, I'm surprised you have such a negative attitude WRT the recruitment of young volunteers to serve in our nation's military. While I don't agree with recruiters playing loose with the facts regarding the military in order to reach a quota that their career depends on, I also understand that recruiting is an extremely difficult job in this time of an all volunteer force." - Capricorn1

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It wouldn't hurt to have a "little"-more RIGID-OVERSIGHT, of recruiters, as well. After all...whether they've signed-up for the job, or not...active-members of our military, in other countries, ARE U.S. "AMBASSADORS"!!

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"Gone are the days of the all-American army hero. These days, the US military is more like a sanctuary for racists, gang members and the chronically unfit."

See:

The Modern US Army: Unfit For Service? | World news | The Guardian

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BTW...it's lookin' like the military has FINALLY "taken-off their gloves"!

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Capricorn1

Feb-18-14 7:54 AM

WRT, recruiters visiting high schools, there were federal laws long before Bush which prohibits discrimination by educational institutions--be they high schools or postsecondary institutions--against United States military recruiters. Because of these guidelines, schools can no longer show preference between the military and other prospective employers. Should these institutions break these rules by restricting access, the federal government, under the Solomon Amendment of 1995, can penalize these institutions by denying funds. I hope this clears things up.

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Capricorn1

Feb-18-14 7:49 AM

BTW, with regards to NCLB, the school is required under NLCB to comply with any request to withhold a child's name, address and phone number from military recruiters.

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Capricorn1

Feb-18-14 7:38 AM

Silverfeather, I'm surprised you have such a negative attitude WRT the recruitment of young volunteers to serve in our nation's military. While I don't agree with recruiters playing loose with the facts regarding the military in order to reach a quota that their career depends on, I also understand that recruiting is an extremely difficult job in this time of an all volunteer force. It's is the parent's responsibility to educate themselves so that they may assist their child in making the best decision. That's why I suggested seeking out veterans to talk to for those parents that have never served and get different outlooks and opinions. I see no harm in recruiters visiting schools or having contact information. It's nothing that they couldn't have obtained anyway with a yearbook and the internet. If you aren't interested, simply say so. They were doing it before Bush, they were simply making cold calls.

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SilverFeather

Feb-18-14 6:41 AM

pinecr you have no clue what you're talking about you are making a total fool of yourself messing with the wife of a veteran. My husband is Army, my son is Air Force intel. Two different services with very different perks on sign up! Educate yourself pinecr. Dubya even tricked the people by sneaking it into an education bill. Read and learn moron!

No Child Left Behind Act - "The legislation was proposed by President George W. Bush on January 23, 2001. ... The act also requires schools to let military recruiters have students' contact information...."

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MrShaman

Feb-18-14 6:11 AM

"Dean, while I agree that waste, fraud and abuse is present in the DOD, please don't think that is the only program where the government needs to tighten it's belt. In Medicare/Medicaid alone, over 100 billion is lost annually to waste, fraud and abuse. The people that were committing fraud in this program are no different from those that do it in any other program and they need to be prosecuted." - Capricorn1

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That's not likely.

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"...the MMA has not even come close to meeting the high expectations set for it by Congress. Consumers are getting hurt and taxpayers fleeced, while insurance companies and drug manufacturers are raking in money faster than they can count it."

See:

Sacramento Gray Panthers Prescription Drug Plan Medicare Part D

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Capricorn1

Feb-18-14 5:59 AM

Dean, while I agree that waste, fraud and abuse is present in the DOD, please don't think that is the only program where the government needs to tighten it's belt. In Medicare/Medicaid alone, over 100 billion is lost annually to waste, fraud and abuse. The people that were committing fraud in this program are no different from those that do it in any other program and they need to be prosecuted. WRT recruiters in schools and in general, not all kids are college material or can afford college and our services need these kids to maintain the defense of the nation. It's an excellent chance for them to get the training and college education they need. The advice I would give all parents that have a child that is thinking about enlisting, contact a veteran to speak to your child and accompany them to see the recruiter. I have done this a couple of times for family friends and the recruiters tended to be more honest because they knew I was retired military.

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pinecr

Feb-17-14 3:28 PM

SilverFeather, this has been going on long before Bush so get your facts straight. Recruiting in schools took place back in the 80's. And how could your son be lied to by a recruiter when your husband is a vet?

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SilverFeather

Feb-17-14 12:37 PM

Amen DeanWormer! That's because this entire program began thanks to the GW Bush administration. This was the same program that permitted recruiters in the schools. My husband is a retired Army MSG and an OIF war vet. He too can collect monies from the recruits he refers for enlistment, BUT he never has and he never would. He also would never lie to a recruit as had been done to our son when he enlisted. The entire program needs an overhaul!

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DeanWormer

Feb-17-14 8:37 AM

I'm really shocked that the Sun-Gazette didn't find a way to tie this to Obama. Well, when a country spends $600 billion (!) on defense there is bound to be some naughty spending. This is just the tip of the iceberg in the defense budget.

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Garben78

Feb-17-14 6:52 AM

I'm sure the number is much much higher

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