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Freedom or Freedumb?

February 16, 2014

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” Karl Marx wrote this nearly 150 years ago and it has become the slogan of Communis....

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sideliner

Feb-16-14 6:11 AM

Government is in business, corrupted by capitalist interests. It is a rigged system set up for maximum profit, cheapest labor, maximum government assistance, and the least possible taxes.

Those low taxes and assistance through legislation is championed by this author. Yet those who have been hurt by the weight of unfettered capitalism and who seek the same type of assistance are seen as free loaders.

This author and so many like him, have swallowed the company kool aid.

It is discouraging to work harder and harder and get less and less for those efforts while record profits are realized at the top. There is a disconnect between those few at the helm collecting obscene salaries and the worker bees at the bottom who are actually generating those profits.

The American Dream is further and further from the grasp of the average American.

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MrShaman

Feb-16-14 6:18 AM

"Many Americans now believe that it is the government's job to guarantee that each person has what they need." - Paul Rinker

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...And, some (primarily the 1%ers/high-roller$) get a "little"-more "creative", about that, than others...

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"The billionaire venture capitalist who thinks liberals are waging a "Kristallnacht"-level war on the the wealthy also believes the "one percent" deserves more of a say in politics by virtue of its tax bracket.

"But what I really think is, it should be like a corporation. You pay a million dollars in taxes, you get A MILLION VOTES. How's that?"

See:

Tom Perkins' Latest Idea: Give The Wealthy More Votes

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MrShaman

Feb-16-14 6:25 AM

"Those low taxes and assistance through legislation is championed by this author. Yet those who have been hurt by the weight of unfettered capitalism and who seek the same type of assistance are seen as free loaders." - sideliner

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Paul Ryan (much like his "mentor"...Ayn Rand...and, other such "Master Race" proponents, before her) prefer the term "useless parasites".

Unfortunately (for the 1%ers/high-roller$/Teabaggers), our railroad-system doesn't provide the boxcars it (once) did.

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MrShaman

Feb-16-14 6:28 AM

See:

War on the Weak - Newsweek and The Daily Beast

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CarlHiller

Feb-16-14 6:31 AM

Thomas Jefferson: "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered . . . The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson -- The Debate Over The Recharter Of The Bank Bill, (1809) You want to fix the American problems this is what is the heart to the whole system. Change this and America can prosper again.

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eriklatranyi

Feb-16-14 6:34 AM

In every socialist "utopia", the elite purchased protection from the government through cronyism.

Those wealthy individuals and corporations were shielded from the power and wealth grab necessary to feed the bureaucratic beast.

As long as those wealthy and corporations help spread the propaganda that socialism is good, they will remain the beneficiaries of gov't programs and retain their lifestyle.

It is laughable that sideliner and his fellow defenders of socialism cannot understand it can be no other way....cronyism between the wealthy, corporations and gov't.

But they will never reject socialism and will tolerate the cronyism (from those on their side) until they find themselves left out of the better lifestyle enjoyed only by the leadership and crony elites......meanwhile, the massed will scramble over scraps.

One only has to look at the way the people live in the socialist utopias of North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela.

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cheyenne

Feb-16-14 6:47 AM

"It is discouraging to work harder and harder and get less and less for those efforts while record profits are realized at the top."-sideliner.

Has this scenario changed at all in the past 5+ years? Will it change at all in the next almost 3? I doubt it.

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enigma

Feb-16-14 7:22 AM

"It is discouraging to work harder and harder and get less and less for those efforts while record profits are realized at the top."-sideliner

So called "income inequality" has gotten worse in the first five years of the Obama administration. This can be accredited directly to his policies, but he calls himself a defender of the middle class and his faithful followers believe. He has given more money to his rich supporters than that dastardly Bush ever dreamed of. He has done more to stagnate wages than anyone since FDR, even worse than Carter. The common man is suffering great harm under this President, but we can't criticize him because he's black. How stupid is that. He's done more harm to the country than any enemy ever has and we are required to love him because of his skin color. That's just racist. Shouldn't he be rated according to his actions and their effects? He's destroying the country and we have to grin and bear it because he's black, on yeah, and a

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MrShaman

Feb-16-14 7:33 AM

"In every socialist "utopia", the elite purchased protection from the government through cronyism." - eriklatranyi

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C'mon...c'mon...the 1%ers/high-roller$ NEVER see federal-$ub$idie$ as socialism!!!

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farmer

Feb-16-14 7:36 AM

Enigma: "we can't criticize him because he's black. How stupid is that. He's done more harm to the country than any enemy ever has and we are required to love him because of his skin color. That's just racist."

There is no good reply to this comment.

Nope,,,,,'got nothin.

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0futm2

Feb-16-14 7:38 AM

Unfortunately (for the 1%ers/high-roller$/Teabaggers), our railroad-system doesn't provide the boxcars it (once) did.

Seems to be working pretty well for Warren Buffett's tankcars though.

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0futm2

Feb-16-14 7:41 AM

Nope,,,,,'got nothin. - farmer

That's a surprise?

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Capricorn1

Feb-16-14 7:50 AM

The American Dream is further and further from the grasp of the average American. -Sideliner

Obviously the millions of illegals crossing the border each year haven't gotten the message.

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sideliner

Feb-16-14 7:50 AM

enigma, "So called "income inequality"" You doubt its existence? Even conservatives are becoming concerned about it and its effects on the economy. It is not a good thing for anybody but those few at the top to have a top heavy setup like ours.

While the rich are getting richer, the poor and middle class are falling behind. Documented, not "so called" fact. The average America wage earner took home 9% less last year than in 1999.

Income inequality goes beyond income. Life expectancy for the wealthy is over 4 yrs longer.

It also breeds education, and therefore opportunity, inequality. 55% wealthy went to college while 28% of the poor and middle class went.

According to top economists, a widening income gap suppresses economic growth. The middle class spend more than the wealthy do. If they don't have the power to spend, our economy doesn't grow.

So this is not a good thing for anybody. As I said, even top conservatives are becoming more and more con

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JerryfromRI

Feb-16-14 7:56 AM

"In every socialist "utopia..."

FYI, Oz, from the Wizard of Oz, was a socialist utopia.

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sideliner

Feb-16-14 7:58 AM

Cap says: "Obviously the millions of illegals crossing the border each year haven't gotten the message."

Why do you have to go there? Look at the statement and issue directly instead of coming at it sideways.

No intent of disrespect here Cap, but I notice that a lot on these boards. Instead of tackling the problem, directly dealing with the issue, so many hurl the kitchen sink at it and never really look for a solution.

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JerryfromRI

Feb-16-14 8:00 AM

Congratulations for this letter's author for understanding that Communism is different from Totalitarianism. The two are often used interchangeably, and wrongly so, by several frequent commentators to these letters.

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CMReeder

Feb-16-14 8:04 AM

Apparently Mr. Rinker thinks we have a communist government.

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Capricorn1

Feb-16-14 8:13 AM

Sideliner, did you ever think that the gap between the rich and the poor is a possibly caused by the inactions/actions of the poor? I often bring up the illegitimacy rate because it is an epidemic that many choose to ignore, yet the consequences of it effect so many areas of society from high school drop out rates, lower job attainment, behavior and emotional problems, poverty, criminal behavior, government dependency, etc etc. The current illegitimacy rate in the U.S is 41%! Among blacks it's a staggering 73%. What effect do you think this has on everything from poverty, our economy and crime? It's easy to point the finger at the "rich", but who is brave enough in leadership to tackle the hard problems head on as to why the poor are staying poor and are the government programs that are designed to help the poor only ignoring the core issues and keeping them poor? I brought up the illegals for a reason; the American dream is still out there and even they realize it.

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spike2

Feb-16-14 8:14 AM

No matter the linguistic couching, success is guaranteed to those born in a family with money, owning businesses and who can afford education whether or not the child is academically worthy of an admission. Illegals is a poor comparison. many, many work for our richest citizens and corporations. I'm sure people in the Sudan would prefer our "poverty" too. BTW, why isn't living in a 3rd world country a driver for ingenuity and upward mobility? The downward spiral in this country did not occur in 5 years. It wasn't fixed quickly enough according to some. There is a distinct difference. Most don't have any actual plausible ideas. Partisan spin from both sides, period.

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JerryfromRI

Feb-16-14 8:17 AM

Since we are talking about alternate forms of government, consider Tom Perkins's recent comments that wealthy tax payers should get more votes than other tax payers.

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Capricorn1

Feb-16-14 8:24 AM

Spike, are you saying you have to be born into a wealthy family to become successful? Granted, they may have it easier. But we have a public education system that is available to all. The government gives out college loans like it's candy as evident by the current one trillion in government loans currently out there. The military is open to all to volunteer to serve and provides some of the best training available along with college educational benefits. My point being; hard work, dedication and perseverance are things the government can't give you but they are traits required to be successful and the rich aren't taking that from anyone. Get the family unit back intact and teach the importance of these traits early in life and many of society's problems would solve themselves.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-16-14 8:25 AM

Carl hit the nail on the head. Many of the other responses just become pointing the blame at lesser impact issues.

Print more money, drive up the debt, bail out the banks with more printed money, reduce lending criteria to lend money to people with insufficient credit/reserves to pay off loans, loans default let the government bail out the loans, next drive up flood insurance rates and when people default on their loans let the American people bail out these mortgages and keep the banks whole.

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Capricorn1

Feb-16-14 8:39 AM

Texas, I agree that there are issues that need to be addressed and reformed at the top level of the spectrum, but to ignore the problems causing those to stay on the lower end of the spectrum is battling a winless war such as we have been with the war on poverty. The Government made the exact same mistake on the war on drugs when they concentrated the majority of the effort on interdiction and very little on rehabilitation and the causes of addiction. Any good leader will tell you the best way to attack is from multiple fronts. Thinking that fixing the banking industry, or taxing the rich until thy bleed will solve our nation's problems is not looking at the total picture and it will not change behavior.

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Ritty77

Feb-16-14 8:43 AM

Is the person born with greater opportunity not supposed to take advantage of that situation?

What are the proposed solutions for ensuring that all start life in similar circumstances and end life with similar achievements?

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