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Idealizing the past

March 4, 2014

Judging by the letters sent in to the Sun-Gazette, many people think that our country was better off in the past than it is now....

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AmericanCitizen

Mar-04-14 5:21 AM

Disagree with this letter? Fine, debate is a healthy thing. Is your response going to be just as well thought out and rationally stated without childish name-calling as this letter is?

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MrShaman

Mar-04-14 5:39 AM

"Third, idealizing the past makes us susceptible to manipulation by those seeking political office. Appealing to our sense of nostalgia is a powerful way to gain attention and support in a political campaign.

I believe that learning from the past, rather than trying to return to a past that never existed, is the most effective way to face the future." - David Bross

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What TIMING!!!! As I'm reading this...I'm also hearing John McCain (on T.V.) railing, on-and-on, about our "need" to get involved in ANOTHER confrontation...this time, with Russia!!!

I'm guessing there aren't AS many ground-combat vets...who are AS "nostalgic" (for confrontation)...as some EX-PILOT would be.

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JerryfromRI

Mar-04-14 5:44 AM

Good letter!

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VinceKnauff

Mar-04-14 5:59 AM

Return to the past? Notice Mr. Bross carefully selected points in our history that nobody wants to resurrect.

Let me give it a try - How about we return to the past where Democrats complained about how many jobs were created when the unemployment rate was around 5% and thought raising the debt ceiling was a sign of failed leadership? Wanna go back 10 years when those things were true?

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MrShaman

Mar-04-14 6:07 AM

VinceKnauff Mar-04-14 5:59 AM Agree | Disagree

Return to the past? Notice Mr. Bross carefully selected points in our history that nobody wants to resurrect.

Let me give it a try - How about we return to the past where Democrats complained about how many jobs were created when the unemployment rate was around 5%...." - VinceKnauff

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Ah, yes...those "good ol' days"...when Republicans insisted the President CAN'T create jobs!!

How times have CHANGED.

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DeanWormer

Mar-04-14 6:09 AM

Ah yes, the Bush years and his failed war in Iraq that wasted about trillion dollars and NOTHING to show for it except diminished U.S. standing in the world. The Republicans have coke bottles over their eyes so their vision is completely distorted.

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CarlHiller

Mar-04-14 6:21 AM

I don't believe anybody wants to return to a past that includes many of these, "Slavery, lynchings, segregation, displacement/extermination of native populations, companies that owned their employees, and voting rights denied to all but white males are just a few examples". What most want to return to when they speak of the past is the right to be left alone to carry out their business that harms no one. It's called freedom and liberty for those of you on the left who have forgotten.

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idiottwo

Mar-04-14 6:22 AM

and the best way to look at the future is with your eyes open in an honest, open and educated way. Look to facts, measurements and history too.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Mar-04-14 6:43 AM

"I believe that learning from the past, rather than trying to return to a past that never existed, is the most effective way to face the future."

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The older dream do be younger and the younger dream to be older.

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RogerMurdock

Mar-04-14 6:48 AM

MrShaman, your comment about John McCain seems a little condescending and misplaced. McCain volunteered for combat duty, was shot down on his 23rd combat mission, had his shoulder crushed by a rifle butt and was bayoneted by an enemy soldier. He wasn't expected to survive. He was subsequently tortured, yet he declined early release when it was offered. He was a POW for 5 1/2 years. Not to mention his heroic actions on the Forrestal during the big fire. I would say that he has paid his dues and has earned the right to comment on this issue.

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eriklatranyi

Mar-04-14 7:48 AM

When we look to the past, we see times when this nation was strong and respected, unlike the times we allowed ourselves to be weak and vulnerable.

I remember after VietNam where this nation was so weak, that the radical muslims took US hostages for over a year and Russia (USSR at the time) invaded nations without concern.

I remember after the Berlin wall came down and we were told to expect a "peace dividend" that ended on 9-11-01 with reality thrown in our face.

Today, we see the same mistake of weakness being repeated.

It is unfortunate that millions might die as a result....again.

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farmer

Mar-04-14 8:10 AM

Excellent letter. Thank you.

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leaningright

Mar-04-14 8:18 AM

Today, we see the same mistake of weakness being repeated.

It is unfortunate that millions might die as a result....again. -eriklatranyi

From listening to the news yesterday, "Putin is playing a game of Chess, Obama is playing a game of marbles"

Kind of sums this one up in a nutshell, Our President is a weakling and our foes know it.Maybe he just needs to think it over for a few weeks. Real leaders act, Putin sure did.

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MrShaman

Mar-04-14 8:22 AM

"What most want to return to when they speak of the past is the right to be left alone to carry out their business that harms no one. It's called freedom and liberty for those of you on the left who have forgotten." - CarlHiller

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Ah, yes...the kind o' freedom to "carry out business, that harms no one", the way slaughterhouses were run, in the early 1900s!!

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See:

The Jungle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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MrShaman

Mar-04-14 8:30 AM

"MrShaman, your comment about John McCain seems a little condescending and misplaced. McCain volunteered for combat duty, was shot down on his 23rd combat mission, had his shoulder crushed by a rifle butt and was bayoneted by an enemy soldier. He wasn't expected to survive. He was subsequently tortured, yet he declined early release when it was offered. He was a POW for 5 1/2 years. Not to mention his heroic actions on the Forrestal during the big fire. I would say that he has paid his dues and has earned the right to comment on this issue." - RogerMurdock

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If I need any input, regarding combat...and, how-often it's "required"...I'll reference REAL GROUND-COMBAT VETS...rather-than some dude who'd spent most of ANY War (for that matter) on his "backside".

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MrShaman

Mar-04-14 8:36 AM

"When we look to the past, we see times when this nation was strong and respected, unlike the times we allowed ourselves to be weak and vulnerable.

I remember after VietNam where this nation was so weak, that the radical muslims took US hostages for over a year..." - eriklatranyi

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That's primarily because you "conservatives" PREFER to ignore what's precipitated such actions.

NO one will ever accuse you folks o' being History Majors.

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See:

Mohammad Mosaddeq and the 1953 Coup in Iran

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Tgrammiex4

Mar-04-14 8:48 AM

Well Mr. Shaman, It's a good thing John McCain spent war time "on his backside", as you put it, so you could talk out yours...

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MrShaman

Mar-04-14 9:04 AM

Today, we see the same mistake of weakness being repeated.

It is unfortunate that millions might die as a result....again. -eriklatranyi

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"From listening to the news yesterday, "Putin is playing a game of Chess, Obama is playing a game of marbles". - leaningright

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NEVER question a "conservatives'"/Teabagger's ability to screw-up a perfectly-good metaphor. <groan>

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Capricorn1

Mar-04-14 9:05 AM

If I need any input, regarding combat...and, how-often it's "required"...I'll reference REAL GROUND-COMBAT VETS...rather-than some dude who'd spent most of ANY War (for that matter) on his "backside". -Shaman

While I am not a huge fan of John McCain, I do respect him for his service to our country. To disrespect his service, is disrespecting all that served. But I imagine you already know that.

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CMReeder

Mar-04-14 9:06 AM

Great letter David! Especially liked the last line.

It looks like the right will cling to past they have fashioned!

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MrShaman

Mar-04-14 9:10 AM

"Well Mr. Shaman, It's a good thing John McCain spent war time "on his backside", as you put it, so you could talk out yours..." - Tgrammiex4

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Ah, yes...a pro-War sales-pitch. How "unexpected"!!

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Capricorn1

Mar-04-14 9:12 AM

Well Mr. Shaman, It's a good thing John McCain spent war time "on his backside", as you put it, so you could talk out yours... -Grammie

I couldn't agree more. I respect everyone's right to choose not to serve. But I have a hard time respecting anyone who shows nothing but disrespect for those that have served, especially when they have given nothing back to their country.

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MrShaman

Mar-04-14 9:16 AM

"I think many wish for a time when families were still together and children learned respect. Today, the family has been destroyed as we knew it." - catmantwo

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I'm sure ol' ReRon Reagan never imagined the consequences...of him saying..."If there ARE no jobs, where you live...MOVE to where there ARE jobs!!!"

"Coincidentally", this was around the same time that neighborhoods started falling-apart.

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CMReeder

Mar-04-14 9:19 AM

Are you being respectful of military service or are you idolizing it?

While I agree Senator McCain served his country honorably I disagree that he is the ultimate authority when it comes to the use of military tactics just because he served.

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MrShaman

Mar-04-14 9:21 AM

"If I need any input, regarding combat...and, how-often it's "required"...I'll reference REAL GROUND-COMBAT VETS...rather-than some dude who'd spent most of ANY War (for that matter) on his "backside". -Shaman

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"While I am not a huge fan of John McCain, I do respect him for his service to our country. To disrespect his service, is disrespecting all that served." - Capricorn1

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When did "selfless"-acts magically turn-into collective-martyrdom??

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