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March 4, 2014

The saying, “United we stand, divided we fall....

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Capricorn1

Mar-09-14 1:19 AM

Scott, I simply asked you to take a look at the article, I never stated that it was gospel. It is simply a different view from those that choose to blame 9/11 on Bush. Personally I think the truth lies somewhere in between. I know there are reasons to point the Clinton Administration for it's inaction for 8 years, even when American lives were lost. I also know that Bush was on a mission to finish the job his father should have regarding Iraq and that narrow mindedness probably resulted in him taking his eye off the ball regarding Al Qaeda. I also believe, as that article stated, that the failure to share information also played a role, something that is still a problem we face today.

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Scott36

Mar-08-14 10:30 AM

Capricorn1,

So, you actually think going to a Conservative/Liberal BLOG is the best place to gather your smoking guns??-Oh my!!- It is up to you, but IMO, we can find the next issue to agree/disagree on, or somewhere in between. Have a Great Day!!-Scott

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Scott36

Mar-08-14 10:26 AM

Yoxtheimer, who exactly are you directing your comment to? You seem to be using a pretty broad brush.-Yoxtheimer

You actually think his/her? statement is in code???

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Capricorn1

Mar-08-14 6:34 AM

Yoxtheimer, who exactly are you directing your comment to? You seem to be using a pretty broad brush.

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Capricorn1

Mar-08-14 6:31 AM

Scott, I did in fact answer your question if you're talking about what I would do if I was in Obama's shoes. I stated that I think he is doing the right thing by utilizing UAVs to pinpoint Al Qaeda operatives and eliminate them. Stay diligent in gathering intelligence and make them aware that they are still being hunted even after we withdraw from Afghanistan. As far as conservative blogs and a.m. radio, IMO, just as I don't automatically assume that anything covered or said by liberal outlets and talking heads is false, I think it's narrow minded to think that everything from conservative outlets is false. I choose to research all sides to an argument and draw my own conclusions.

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Scott36

Mar-07-14 2:51 PM

Scott, regarding Bush's role in 9/11, take a look at this article and let me know what ya think.-Capricorn1

I will tell you what I think, A Conservative Blog?? Nothing there that I have not heard by various(again) AM Radio hosts.(again, what is said on radio quickly makes it's way around con/tp circles) I have answered your question, even though you have deflected around mine. But if you come up with something else, I will be happy to respond. Have a Safe,& Happy day-Scott

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Capricorn1

Mar-07-14 12:52 PM

Scott, regarding Bush's role in 9/11, take a look at this article and let me know what ya think.

How The NYT Commemorates 9/11: 'It Was Bush's Fault' -Rob Miller- American Thinker

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Scott36

Mar-07-14 11:37 AM

. When they see their president on the news declaring Al Qaeda no longer a threat, what mindset does that put them in-Capricorn1

First off, I also applaud your son, along with all of our military--You should be proud!! Ok, to the statement I chose to highlight, If they are not doing their jobs correctly, and need to be babied with words, get rid of them. There are plenty of thicker skinned people who would love the job. Finally you see fit to give a little credit- Good for you. In your next post, I see you find fault with Clinton, do you see ANY fault what-so-ever in "Dubya's" roll in this sad chapter in American history??-Scott

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Capricorn1

Mar-07-14 3:09 AM

One last point Scott, I served during the Clinton years and I truly believe that if Clinton would have taken the action that was recommended by his military advisors such as Obama does, 9/11 would never had happened.

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Capricorn1

Mar-07-14 3:02 AM

Scott, I give Obama credit for listening to his advisors and making the right decision in allowing our Seal Team to go in and eliminate Bin Laden. I also give him credit for listening to his advisors and allowing drones to be used to pin point attacks on Al Qaeda operatives without the need for boots on the ground. My son was in the UAV program with the Marines for ten years and this is a weapon that should be taken advantage of, so I applaud him for that. As far as whether I believe his words have any impact regarding us letting our guard down, I believe they do when you take into consideration we rely on underpaid and under trained TSA agents at our airports to keep us safe from attacks such as 9/11. When they see their president on the news declaring Al Qaeda no longer a threat, what mindset does that put them in. The ones tasked to guard our borders, ports and entryways are not intelligence officers that get briefed daily on the current terrorist status.

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Scott36

Mar-06-14 9:10 PM

LOL Scott you are CONSUMED with the thought that EVERYONE listens to a.m. radio and is out to "get Obama". RELAX!! Take away your constant defensiveness and read what I actually wrote.-Capricorn1

You feel that I am on the defense?? LOL I suggest you go back & reread both of our posts. Trust me, I do read what you write. To the AM Radio quote, I do listen to it, & when I hear it aped, I at times will bring that fact up. What these(AM radio hosts) say, generally ripples through the Conservative crowd--I have noticed it for decades. To the "get Obama" quote of yours, I responded to that because he is the one you focused on, & I thought your reasons were overblown. BTW, it is a long stretch(IMO)to equate a Presidents remarks in speeches with 'becoming complacent", again, I know you do not want to give credit for it, but this Prez. has taken out just a few(including bin lauden)Al Quiada higher ups. Hope you had a Great day!!-Scott

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Scott36

Mar-06-14 8:52 PM

There are already plans to cut one trillion dollars from our defense over the next decade and to reduce our troop strength to pre-WWII levels.-Capricorn1

I know this is the current talking point(just like the # of navy ships were a little while ago),but what are our capabilities compared to WWII?? This is not usually brought up in the "Pre WWII" conversations. To the point of where the cuts are made, I tend to agree with you--Congress should have their feet held to the fire on this issue, IMO.-I see you have another post, I shall reply. See ya in the next post!!-Scott

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Capricorn1

Mar-06-14 6:07 PM

One last point Scott, I have spent nearly three decades in the military and working with the military in both peace time and during conflicts. And I'll admit that I am very concerned with the direction and funding regarding our military once we withdraw from Afghanistan. There are already plans to cut one trillion dollars from our defense over the next decade and to reduce our troop strength to pre-WWII levels. While I agree that there is plenty of room for cuts within the DOD, I also know that Congress will not go after the very source these cuts need to be made; defense contracts. Instead they will go after the very things that effect our troops from carrying out their mission and benefits that will hurt moral. Our enemies watch and wait until they know are guard is down and our defenses are low. The last thing we need to do is advertise that we don't think they are a threat and we are making massive cuts to our defense.

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Capricorn1

Mar-06-14 5:52 PM

Mercury, you also are getting the wrong impression from what I wrote. Personally I think we should have withdrawn from Afghanistan a long time ago. But that doesn't mean we take our eye off the ball and forget about the threat that still exists there and will likely increase in the future. We don't need boots on the ground to keep our enemy in check as long as we remain vigilant in our mission. Modern technology allows us to continue the mission from a distance.

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Capricorn1

Mar-06-14 5:47 PM

Come on Scott, you have to see that it's a dangerous game to downplay the actual threat of your enemy.

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Capricorn1

Mar-06-14 5:46 PM

LOL Scott you are CONSUMED with the thought that EVERYONE listens to a.m. radio and is out to "get Obama". RELAX!! Take away your constant defensiveness and read what I actually wrote. My ONLY concern is that this country does not become complacent and let our guard down regarding the continuing threat that Al Qaeda poses. Where in my comment did I blame Obama for the fact that they are still a threat and are expected to gain strength in Afghanistan once we withdraw? I'm not placing any blame what so ever on Obama for Al Qaeda's resurgence. I have been simply stating that he needs to LISTEN to his advisors regarding true state of Al Qaeda and reframe from giving mixed messages by boasting that they are "on the run" or have been "decimated". What message is he giving to those TSA agents working our terminals when they hear their President declare Al Qaeda is no longer a threat? Come on Scott, you have to see that it's a dangerous game to downplay the actua

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MECURY2

Mar-06-14 11:42 AM

Capricorn1: Not sure if you have a television,but, Afghanistan doesn't even want us there! Footnote: Afghanistan is the largest supplier of He***on in the world and what you have to be worried about is that Al Qaeda can sit back and watch our Country destroy itself without firing a shot! We have a He***on crisis going on in this Country and Al-Qaeda is laughing at us and the He***on addicts in America are supplying the money for their weapons.Wise-up America!

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Scott36

Mar-06-14 11:01 AM

Iraq, once we pull out of Afghanistan, you can bet Al Qaeda will return with a vengeance.-Capricorn1

This is all Obama's fault??? Is this what you are trying to insinuate?? Point one: It is my understanding that Al Queda was never in Iraq before "W's" little choice to invade it.(The "W" admin. tried to say it as because of 1 person seeking an operation or something to that effect) So who is at fault for it taking over as you claim?? Point Two: What is your option/advice on Afghanistan? Stay there forever? Make it the 51st. State?? Again with the AM radio criticisms, yet no viable solutions. Just keep screaming "OBAMA", it just replaces the last Rightwing screeching cry of "CLINTON". Like it or not, these are the things I have noticed over, & over for Years. Before you attack me with it, No the extreme left wing is not any better,IMO. You try to claim to be more toward the center, yet your stance seems to show otherwise, again-JMO.-Have a

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Scott36

Mar-06-14 10:45 AM

Anyway, I've stated my opinion and there's nothing more to say.-Capricorn1

To start, you ignored my 2 fairly(IMO)simple questions--again, guess it is easier to criticize. You stated your source, which you use as your total defense to do nothing more than criticize. What the President says in speeches does not necessarily reflect the seriousness of his attention on this issue.(would you be happy if he stood up there like chicken little & scream the sky is falling, like the Right wing is trying to push) Face it, All you are interested in is pushing the Right wing "Talking points", you Never once acknowledged his successes, yet see fit to pound on me for taking a different view of the issue. JUST keep focusing on nothing but his "speeches".-Be Happy,& Safe-Scott

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Capricorn1

Mar-05-14 4:44 PM

Scott, you just spent two comments discussing everything but the possible danger of Obama's opinion that Al Qaeda is on the run and has been decimated. After all it was your comment regarding Al Qaeda that started this. I was merely trying to point out that according to the intelligence community and the State Department, Al Qaeda is in fact still strong and growing and very much a threat. Why am I making it such an issue? Well 9/11 comes to mind and both Clinton and Bush also failed to take them seriously. To me a discussion on this point is a little bit more important than all the other petty stuff that you chose to discuss. Anyway, I've stated my opinion and there's nothing more to say. We can only hope that our leaders and the intelligence community remains vigilant regarding Al Qaida and they don't get the mindset that Obama seems to have judging by all his comments. Like Iraq, once we pull out of Afghanistan, you can bet Al Qaeda will return with a vengeance.

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Scott36

Mar-05-14 2:40 PM

Capricorn1,

One more small point, regarding your statement--" I suggest you stop using so much effort in defending everything and anything regarding this administration and see things for what thy are.", I would suggest you do the same, just in reverse. I know this would displease the "locals", but for whatever it is worth, I personally believe you are doing yourself a disservice. This admin. has made mistakes to be sure(name me one that has not), but to see Obama as nothing but a failure, & trying to capitalize/focus on each word/statement, is IMO just being completely partisan, and petty. Until lately, I had thought you above that--Again, JMO--Have a Safe afternoon & beyond-Scott

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Scott36

Mar-05-14 2:30 PM

Btw, what was your simple question?-Capricorn1

To save typing, go to my 11:26pm post. I believe that you are taking liberties when you state-" I suggest you stop using so much effort in defending everything and anything regarding this administration and see things for what thy are." If that is your impression, you are mistaken--I VERY rarely see things through black/white opinions. As to the charge of me being "level headed", yes at times I enjoy engaging in some "Tin Foil Hat" bashing, but if you take my disagreeing with someone as not being level headed, just point out where I am incorrect, & argue your point. Do your self a favor though(as you charge me with not being level headed) go back to your post(4:55am) where you made this statement--"This isn’t about crediting or discrediting Obama."--& then go on to attempt to do just that(IMO).-Scott

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Steelman

Mar-05-14 2:28 PM

This applies to many of you on here. Come on you know who you are.

It is better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

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Capricorn1

Mar-05-14 1:04 PM

Scott, it doesn't matter if it was Obama, Bush or Nixon, to continue to make statements insinuating that a valid Al Qaeda threat to this country and our foreign interests does not exist is completely irresponsible. And he did not make statements like this just once, he has done it dozens of times. My fear is does he actually believe what he is saying and basing his security policies around this belief or is it just political boasting of accomplishments regardless if they're factual? I thought we learned our lesson regarding ignoring the growing threat of Al Qaeda. I suggest you stop using so much effort in defending everything and anything regarding this administration and see things for what thy are. I understand why you are on the defense on these boards, but when you first started posting you kept a level head. Now you just seem to be falling in line with the usual banter. Btw, what was your simple question?

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Scott36

Mar-05-14 12:37 PM

"!Bush leaves office in 2008 and out of the blue the Tea Party shows up and I'll give you one chance to say why they did.It's the "skin heads" way of getting into politics and it's about a man who didn't look like the past 42 Presidents!-MERCURY2

OH-OH, You did it now!!! You are never going to get voted SG poster of the year with observations like that!!! Oh well, there are still enough hours left in this day to try to recover.-Hope you have a Safe, & happy day!!!-Scott

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