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Change of heart needed

March 11, 2014

I am concerned that my previous letter on history repeating itself has evolved into a debate on gun control. It has nothing to do with gun control, but heart control....

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CMReeder

Mar-13-14 1:11 PM

BTW Relene your side doesn't like to be ruled by the heart but by logic and facts; no emotions or empathy or heart.

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CMReeder

Mar-12-14 11:56 PM

Heart pumps blood Relene it doesn't make decisions.

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CMReeder

Mar-12-14 11:55 PM

Yes Relene and people give their heart to Jeesus and still they can kill.

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CMReeder

Mar-12-14 11:53 PM

Sorry Relene but you are wrong. You purchased a gun after Obama became President, so much for having Jesus in your heart.

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rmiller

Mar-12-14 3:33 PM

According to you, if the ehart pumps blood only, and you give it to Jesus, won't you die, reducing the risk of you murdering someone?

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rmiller

Mar-12-14 3:32 PM

" A sociologist did research on the poor."

Chuck, there are thousands of people across this nation teaching SS and consider "religion" important to them. That means nothing without the "heart" being right with God and before Him. Yuu just don't seem to get it, Chuck. What's sad is that you will be held in a higher accountability (with respect to degrees of judgment) and God's decision of heaven or h e l l. There are degrees of h e l l and people don't get this one thing.......h e l l is h e l l period! See, you want to make God what you want, subsequently...no accountability. To make a statement like you made in your post of 3/11 surrendering your heart to the Lord and still kill.....not likely, not even probable..

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Josh84

Mar-12-14 2:35 PM

As you stated earlier, and I agreed, the transfer of long guns can be completed minus a background check(as long as the buyer is from the state where the sale is taking place), But never by a dealer.

Your right in PA a NICS check is always required for a handgun, one of only 11 states to require such.

To cut to the conclusion. I believe the laws we employ in PA and other similar states, should be the template for all states.

A background check for ALL dealer transactions, and ALL handgun transactions.

I worked for a firearms dealer for several years during my time in college. I will tell you up front that,in doing so, I recognize the need for a check system, but believe what we have in PA is sufficient.

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Scott36

Mar-12-14 2:04 PM

Scot36, There’s a really good definition on Wikipedia.-underwood

Actually there are a few definitions, which one are you "adhering" to??-Scott

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AmericanCitizen

Mar-12-14 1:07 PM

Also, GOVERNING magazine (cited by Forbes, Wallstreet Journal and other conservative outlets) says PA (God bless us) is a state that has mandatory checks for handguns, but most states don't. They list a total of only ten states where background checks are required for "all purchases."

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AmericanCitizen

Mar-12-14 12:52 PM

Alright, let's reset, I'll be civil if you will.

From Sen.Joe Manchin's description of his proposed Public Safety and Second Amendment Rights Protection Act of 2013 (co-sponsored by Pat Toomey):

"Under current law, if you buy a gun at a gun show from a licensed dealer, you have to undergo a background check by that dealer. But you can go to a non-dealer table at the gun show, or into the parking lot, and buy a gun without a background check." -and - "Under current law, if you buy a gun online interstate (from one state to another), the gun must be shipped to a licensed dealer, you must go to that dealer and get a background check before you purchase the gun. However, for intrastate (in the same state) sales, no background check is required and you can sell the gun to the person without ever meeting face-to-face."

This legislation was defeated in the Senate 54-46. Has other law been enacted I haven't heard of?

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Josh84

Mar-12-14 8:25 AM

Ah the gun show loophole, Dealers are always required to perform background checks and private sales involving a handgun always require on as well. Internet sales of firearms… Sorry, with LEGAL internet sales of firearms, the firearm must be shipped to an FFL dealer and a NICS check must be preformed.

I will grant you that long rifles may be transferred without check between consenting parties. However how many of the weapons used in any of the crimes years past have been purchased in this fashion? According to the National Institute for Justice “gun shows were such a minor source of criminal gun acquisition that they were not even worth reporting as a separate figure.”

“Thanks for the condescending tone anyway, it definitely helps in calmly discussing things like rational grown-ups who emotionally matured past the fourth grade. “

No Problem, seeing as it began with you.

“Well, the word they've been using is "universal." Sounds pretty cut and dried but I could be wron

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CMReeder

Mar-12-14 12:58 AM

sorry that should read attended a local church and taught Sunday school classes also.

Religion is very important to her and guided her in her choice to help and study the poor. Her religious upbringing was focused on social justice. She cites Micah 6:8, "To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God".

Her research upended her preconceived notions as well.

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CMReeder

Mar-12-14 12:30 AM

Capricorn1 I have offered why families have broken you refuse to accept it. A lot that you cite is myth. A sociologist did research on the poor. Her name is Kathryn Edin. She took her research serious and left the 'ivory towers' of academia and moved into the area she was investigating. She moved her family into a neighborhood of Camden, NJ. She lived there attend a local there, volunteer there and work beside the residents of that neighborhood. Camden isn't the only neighborhood she has lived in and made observations and interviewed people.

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CMReeder

Mar-12-14 12:17 AM

Ritty I suggest you quit drinking before responding. Capricorn1 express two points of view and I responded to both in my post. I did not say they were related.

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rmiller

Mar-11-14 10:38 PM

Nobody,

This is for certain a strange one. We hope we find it, before it finds...never mind...

A 777 just doesn't disappear..

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Nobody

Mar-11-14 10:31 PM

That Malaysian plane made a 90 degree left turn over the ocean. Computers don't make that "mistake", humans do. Thus, whatever the end of the story is, somebody in that cockpit made a left turn.

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underwood

Mar-11-14 8:08 PM

Scot36, There’s a really good definition on Wikipedia.

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Scott36

Mar-11-14 8:01 PM

Cap, it’s the whole reason for collectivism; no personal responsibility only society’s.-underwood

Would you be kind enough to give me your definition of "collectivism"?-Thanks-Scott

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AmericanCitizen

Mar-11-14 6:25 PM

"No chuck, he answered nothing. The question is how do you improve upon the background system already in place? WHO isn't receiving proper background checks?

His answer was typical of someone who has done no homework on the subject and simply repeats what was heard from their favorite anti-gun "expert"."

So this "gun show loophole" I keep hearing about has been closed? Not only the licensed dealers but private parties selling multiple weapons at these shows also have to do background checks? Internet sales require background checks? My dad's best friend selling me his hunting rifle requires a background check? I'm honestly curious, maybe I AM misinformed.

Thanks for the condescending tone anyway, it definitely helps in calmly discussing things like rational grown-ups who emotionally matured past the fourth grade.

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AmericanCitizen

Mar-11-14 6:16 PM

"but we are expected to believe background checks for firearm purchases will prevent murders."

Should we eliminate ALL background checks, then? After all, they won't prevent every murder, so what's the point?

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eriklatranyi

Mar-11-14 6:06 PM

Government cannot stop people from using passports stolen months ago from boarding planes, but we are expected to believe background checks for firearm purchases will prevent murders.

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underwood

Mar-11-14 3:59 PM

Cap, it’s the whole reason for collectivism; no personal responsibility only society’s.

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Capricorn1

Mar-11-14 3:56 PM

Btw, Chuck and Shaman, neither of you have offered anything that refutes the fact that the breakdown of families in this country, directing correlates to high school drop out rates, poverty rates, crime and incarceration. Instead you choose to blame it all on society. The facts are what they are and instead of tackling those problems, we just point fingers. It's the gun's fault, it's racism, it's conservatives fault; but never the fault of the people most responsible for teaching and molding our youth, the parents. Look what's that has gotten us.

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Capricorn1

Mar-11-14 3:48 PM

"Well the environment is just not in the home and this is where your argument fails. You are heaping all of blame and the responsibility on the home. If the home has no support to begin with from the outside it will fail." - CMReeder

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"It takes a village...", right?? -Shaman

Yea, you're right, it's society's responsibility to raise the kids you brought into this world. Talk about a nanny state and needing your hand held. Society already offers public schools to educate your children, food stamps to feed them and free healthcare to look after their medical needs. I think the parents could step in there somewhere and teach them right from wrong, the value of responsibility, hard work and discipline. Jeez, whatever happened to responsible parents raising responsible children? Now it's everyone else's responsibility.

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Josh84

Mar-11-14 3:45 PM

No chuck, he answered nothing. The question is how do you improve upon the background system already in place? WHO isn't receiving proper background checks?

His answer was typical of someone who has done no homework on the subject and simply repeats what was heard from their favorite anti-gun "expert".

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