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March 12, 2014

Obamacare is a big joke, nobody can afford it, even the Washington politicians don’t want it....

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CMReeder

Mar-12-14 12:14 AM

It isn't a joke to the people who have signed up for it.

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Nobody

Mar-12-14 3:37 AM

Yeah, but the numbers are a joke. What was it: 2,400,000 signed up, 900,000 not paid yet.

For a country over 325,000,000, that's a shocking low number. Embarrassingly so.

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Nobody

Mar-12-14 3:51 AM

PAY ATTENTION please to something OUTSIDE OF OUR LITTLE RIVE VALLEY:

That Malaysian plane made a 90 degree left turn over the ocean. Computers don't make that "mistake", humans do. Thus, whatever the end of the story is, somebody in that cockpit made a left turn.

Therefore, human intervention at the minimum

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JerryfromRI

Mar-12-14 6:14 AM

The Green Party supports Single Payer, Medicaid for all.

You've seen what Team Blue has to offer, Team Red says you are own your own, check out the Green Party.

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eriklatranyi

Mar-12-14 6:32 AM

The Maryland state Obamacare exchange is being investigated for wasting hundreds of millions of dollars that were funneled to campaign contributors (progressives) while the site does not work.

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eriklatranyi

Mar-12-14 6:35 AM

There have been over 19 delays or changes to the Affordable Care Law without a single vote by Congress, nor by an Executive Order.

I would suggest an investigation into the White House, but since the CIA wiretaps our Congressional Committees that conduct investigations, it would be pointless.

Just let President Obama keep playing with his small pen and phone.

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MrShaman

Mar-12-14 6:40 AM

"Obamacare is a big joke, nobody can afford it...." - Al Mills

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You "might" want to double-check your sources for such info.

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See:

Fox Promised To Follow Up On Obamacare Horror Story -- What About Now That It's A Success Story? | Blog | Media Matters for America

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Capricorn1

Mar-12-14 6:50 AM

Shaman, can you please explain to me why you consider Obamacare as a success story when it seems Obama himself is losing confidence by the way he is arbitrarily handing out delays/extensions until after the elections? If he is so confident about this legislation and it is in fact so successful, why all the delays in implementing the full legislation on January 1, 2014 as written in the law?

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ericwilliamsport

Mar-12-14 7:09 AM

Tell the small business owners and their employees who couldn't afford the bloated healthcare premiums before the ACA, who now can be diagnosed with cancer and not be denied, that it is a joke.

Nobody: Way to distort the numbers to play to your argument. You think every American was uninsured and now can get the affordable care? This program was for those who didn't get group coverage already. It is equally as disturbing that 5 people agreed with you, which is simple ignorance to the "facts" of your post.

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Capricorn1

Mar-12-14 7:29 AM

Eric, I agree that some are playing loosely with the numbers, however, that doesn't negate the fact that many of the uninsured are not signing up, and the young healthy adults are not signing up, which the program relies on to keep premiums affordable. Add to that the fact that many that have signed up are those that previously lost their insurance after being told they wouldn't. Add to that that a large percentage of those that have signed up have failed to pay their premiums as reported by the insurance agencies, I fail to see how this legislation has been a success for the tens of millions of Americans that are uninsured. When the President himself seems to be losing confidence and continues to delay implementation, it doesn't send a very good message to the rest of the country. The sad thing is, partisan politics is preventing this mess from being fixed properly and millions of Americans will be affected by it.

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0futm2

Mar-12-14 8:11 AM

Progressive dyslexic math. We were told obamacare was necessary because we had 30 million without health insurance. Now after obamacare we have 48 million without health insurance. That's progress?

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CMReeder

Mar-12-14 8:16 AM

Now we are finding that right is lying about people being denied and paying more through Obamacare.

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ericwilliamsport

Mar-12-14 9:03 AM

Citing people who didnt pay their premiums on the health exchange without comparing it to the millions who didnt pay their premiums before the ACA to their private insurance, is again just distorting the numbers to hep your point. What percentage didn't pay their premiums prior to ACA?

Here's a good one for you, Blue Cross made 1 billion in profit on your health insurance premiums. The argument on "broken promises" of keeping doctor or same plan is the fact that an insurance company board of directors decided 900 million in profit wasn't enough. They need to maintain billions in profit on your health. One CEO alone made 16 million dollars in 2012 and I'm assuming in that ballpark today.

Yet the President takes the blame for the fact that Highmark raised its prices to maintain its profit margin because it has to cover child asthma, or a woman's breast cancer... where before they could deny you because it wasn't to their benefit to help you. There is your joke.

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Tgrammiex4

Mar-12-14 9:17 AM

Of the 2.4 mill. that have supposedly signed up, how many qualified for the expanded medicaid at no or little cost? How many signed up that are actually paying for it? Do they really think enough paying folks are going to sign up to offset the folks who are getting it free?

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Capricorn1

Mar-12-14 9:19 AM

Eric, what does those that don't pay their premium that already had health insurance have to do with it? if anything it makes it worse. The purpose of this legislation was to ensure the 30 million uninsured get health insurance. The point being, you can sign up all thirty million, but if they don't pay the premiums, what good have you done? You are insinuating that these numbers don't matter because those that already had health insurance may not pay their premiums either. That's true but that is just adding to the number of uninsured.

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Capricorn1

Mar-12-14 9:29 AM

Of the 2.4 mill. that have supposedly signed up, how many qualified for the expanded medicaid at no or little cost? How many signed up that are actually paying for it? Do they really think enough paying folks are going to sign up to offset the folks who are getting it free? -Grammie

The simple answer is no. From everything I read, the lack of young healthy adults purchasing premiums will cause a substantial increase in premiums for those that have signed up. Add to that the fact that a large portion of those signing up are qualifying for Medicaid Expansion, this not only places an added cost to the program in general (which states will eventually have to pay for once federal funding runs it course), but it lessens the number of those actually purchasing policies, which in turn drives up premium costs. Once the employer mandate FINALLY kicks in after the elections, millions more are suspected to lose their policies.

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enigma

Mar-12-14 9:54 AM

"Highmark raised its prices to maintain its profit margin because it has to cover child asthma, or a woman's breast cancer." - ericwilliamsport

No, the prices went up not because of asthma and cancer which were already covered under plans, but to cover the new mandated coverages under Obamacare. Many of these coverages are provided without deductibles or copays. These are coverages such as birth control, STD counseling. Alcohol abuse screening, and obesity screenings, because people can't tell if they drink too much or are too fat. The list goes on and on. Curiously, the only time you actually have to pay for services under Obamacare is if you are sick. Your poor cancer patient will have to pay the first $6,000 for treatment, out of pocket, but birth control is absolutely free. So don't pretend you care about cancer patients or kids with asthma. The ACA will cost them much more than most older plans ever did.

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MECURY2

Mar-12-14 10:11 AM

Here I thought "Highmark-Blue Cross" was a non-profit organization. Guess I was wrong.

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underwood

Mar-12-14 10:12 AM

The purpose of the ACA was for government to gain control of a very large part of the economy. Now that they’ve got it they’re implementing and managing it about as well as anything they control and the economy will suffer for as long as we have ACA or anything else that follows it. The solution for problems with ACA will no doubt be even more government control of our health system.

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spike2

Mar-12-14 10:38 AM

Nobody - I assume you are not a math teacher. A few more numbers are needed such as those insured through employers, self pays, medicare and existing Medicaid. The pop figure is irrelevant without those numbers.

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MrShaman

Mar-12-14 10:41 AM

"Shaman, can you please explain to me why you consider Obamacare as a success story when it seems Obama himself is losing confidence by the way he is arbitrarily handing out delays/extensions until after the elections? If he is so confident about this legislation and it is in fact so successful, why all the delays in implementing the full legislation on January 1, 2014 as written in the law?" - Capricorn1

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If the individual-mandate is such a "bad"-idea (as SOME means of more-fully covering the general-population's need for health-care), you should probably take-that-up with The Heritage Foundation, Newt Gingrich & Mitt Romney.

If it PROVES to be such an invalid-concept, Obama has (at LEAST) proven THAT!!

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See:

The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes

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MrShaman

Mar-12-14 10:52 AM

"...an insurance company board of directors decided 900 million in profit wasn't enough. They need to maintain billions in profit on your health. One CEO alone made 16 million dollars in 2012 and I'm assuming in that ballpark today." - ericwilliamsport

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BILL MOYERS: Why is public insurance, a public option, so fiercely opposed by the industry?

WENDELL POTTER: The Medicare program that we have here is a government-run program that has administrative expenses that are like THREE PERCENT or so.

BILL MOYERS: Compared to the industry's--

WENDELL POTTER: They spend about 20 cents of every premium dollar on overhead, which is administrative expense or profit. So they don't want to compete against a more efficient competitor.

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See:

BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Wendell Potter | PBS - YouTube

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MrShaman

Mar-12-14 11:00 AM

"The purpose of the ACA was for government to gain control of a very large part of the economy." - underwood

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Wrong, again.

The ACA merely sets the GROUND-RULES for the for-profits (who chose to provide health-care), who STILL control such a significant part of the economy.

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MrShaman

Mar-12-14 11:04 AM

"Highmark raised its prices to maintain its profit margin because it has to cover child asthma, or a woman's breast cancer." - ericwilliamsport

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"No, the prices went up not because of asthma and cancer which were already covered under plans, but to cover the new mandated coverages under Obamacare." - enigma

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You prefer to give the HOSPITALS a "pass"?????

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See:

Hospital Charges Vary Across U.S. for Same Procedures - Bloomberg

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Capricorn1

Mar-12-14 11:11 AM

Shaman, you can't make up your mind! LoL first you claim that Obamacare is a success and then you state that if it isn't a success then it's the Republicans fault and Obama just proved it! The problem with blindly following a leader and everything he says, is you end up back pedaling when the obvious is glaring you right in the face. Then you can merely use deflection to talk your way out.

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