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The gun issue

March 15, 2014

These local rednecks and influx gangbangas have more in common than they realize. Both love their guns. Each side, when frightened, is likely to rely on violence or the threat of violence....

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Nobody

Mar-16-14 3:45 PM

Erik: " A 777-200 would be an ideal delivery system for an EMP device."

True, or how about a North Korean or Iranian Nuke?

That's why it's so important of a story. 34 disagrees. And I'm a nobody.

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Nobody

Mar-16-14 3:42 PM

I posted this on March 12, 2014 and I received a total of: 5 Agrees 34 Disagrees ================================== PAY ATTENTION please to something OUTSIDE OF OUR LITTLE RIVE VALLEY:

That Malaysian plane made a 90 degree left turn over the ocean. Computers don't make that "mistake", humans do. Thus, whatever the end of the story is, somebody in that cockpit made a left turn.

Therefore, human intervention at the minimum =================================== What does that tell you about Williamsport?

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WaitingForReason

Mar-16-14 2:24 PM

LauriH..unlike you I am not "sure" what would have happened if, but that was not my point and that was not the question you raised. You posed why someone would carry a gun where there was a low expectation of it being needed. I'm guessing that in the church, mall, classrooms, and theater I mentioned nobody expected what was going to occur. Did you read what I quoted in my first post? Can you find a flaw in that logic? You say common sense should be used and I believe the vast majority of those who carry do just that.

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LauriH

Mar-16-14 12:49 PM

WaitingForReason, I merly stated my opinion, your response is totally up to you. Just because we have rights, such as freedom of speech I am still careful and considerate about things that I say, I use discrection. The point being people should use common sense when deciding when and where to carry a firearm, not just for "what ifs".

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mikekerstetter

Mar-16-14 6:16 AM

Chuck, having a permit to carry doesn't mean one carries their weapon everywhere they go.

I got mine the same day that I purchased my handgun, but I've never carried it anywhere except in my glove compartment or center console on my way to the hunting cabin. BUT, if I WANT to carry it with me everywhere I go, where it is permissible of course, I have that right.

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mikekerstetter

Mar-16-14 5:39 AM

LauriH-"To all of you who think everybody should be carrying a gun to protect yourself and your loved ones, in the paper just the other day there was a story of a young man who just purchased a gun and he went through the drive thru at McDonalds and accidently shot himself."

Also in that same article was the fact that, in addition to the pain and suffering he inflicted on himself for being stupid, he is also being criminally charged for that act because he didn't have a permit to carry.

Something a lot of young firearms users learn by experience is that you don't check the 'safety' by pulling the trigger. Fortunately, most of us are smart enough to be pointing the gun in a safe direction and are outdoors when we do it. Now I'm not saying that is what happened to this guy, but if I were a betting person....

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WaitingForReason

Mar-15-14 10:40 PM

You want to know what I think, but you are already sure.....kinda defeats the purpose of any further discussion.

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gavinf56

Mar-15-14 10:02 PM

Just because we have the right to do something, doesn't always mean we should. With rights comes responsibilities, and just because some don't act responsible doesn't mean we limit those rights. Instead, we punish those who do not act responsible.

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LauriH

Mar-15-14 9:40 PM

WaitingForReason, what do you think would have happened if everybody was carrying a gun on those occassions? I am sure more people would have been caught in the crossfire, it would of been worse. Like I said we do not live in the wild west. Keep your firearms out of sight if you must carry one at all times and don't be so blatent about having it, some do not share your views on guns, and they to have the right to come to a dentist appt without having some idiot who thinks its cool to bring a gun and play show and tell. The gun owners with that mentality are the ones who concern me.

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Scott36

Mar-15-14 9:29 PM

I would venture to say that you are amongst people that are carrying and you don't even know it because most keep it concealed and don't make a production of it.-Capricorn1

This is probably the case a lot more often than not. I(when I do conceal)do my utmost best to "not make a production of it". But I have seen some who do a lousy job of it, almost try to flaunt it. It must be remembered though, that this is an "open carry" State. I agree with the law, but am frankly not too crazy about the negative publicity it can generate. Kind of a catch 22 IMO.-Hope you Had a Great day, & A Great tomorrow!!!-Scott

BTW, We had a fairly good conversation on the "The Holder Way" LTE. Any particular reason you did not give a response to my Question on prosecution?? Just curious, as you usually do not have a problem standing by your convictions. Again, have a Great day tomorrow.

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WaitingForReason

Mar-15-14 9:28 PM

I apologize for the formatting problem. It looked fine in the "comment" box.

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WaitingForReason

Mar-15-14 9:17 PM

Fort Hood - Church Gabby Giffords - Mall Virginia Tech - College Campus Aurora - Movie Theatre ..... all of these I assume fit the description of places one wouldn't expect to need a firearm.

An older/wiser gentleman once told me "I carry my gun whenever I leave the house but I never carry it anywhere that I think I'm going to need it. How stupid would I have to be to go somewhere I expect to need a gun."

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gavinf56

Mar-15-14 9:01 PM

I don't think they all carry out of fear, but some no doubt do. Think about those ADT security commercials, they play in to, and help spread that fear as does our entertainment industry.

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LauriH

Mar-15-14 8:48 PM

Gavin36 thank you for proving my point by your first sentence, many carry a gun out of fear and use it as a security blanket of some sort, they are the ones that I fear,some hot head with a trigger happy finger who wants to be a hero.

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gavinf56

Mar-15-14 8:24 PM

Lauri, I don't live in fear, so I see no need to have a gun at any of those places.

I do however, believe in defending an individuals rights, as outlined within the framework of our Constitution and ruled upon by the SCOTUS.

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Scott36

Mar-15-14 8:18 PM

I am all for individual rights but I am also for using common sense as to when and where carrying a firearm is needed.-LauriH

Lauri, Thank you very much for the response. Common sense--This is IMHO what some of these Yahoos(excellent term!!)lack. They make all gun owners look stupid/bad. Standing up for something--blindly is immature, & childish as far as I am concerned. Everything has it's limits, & for whatever it is worth, it appears to me that you, and your husband have your opinions/priorities thought out in a mature, adult way. I'm probably going to get bashed over this,(bring it on!!) but I have my opinions, & am not afraid to defend them--Some of the attitudes/beliefs stated on this thread are going to be the downfall of responsible gun ownership.-May you, & your family Have a terrific night, & a Peaceful, Relaxing day Tomorrow!!!!-Scott

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LauriH

Mar-15-14 8:08 PM

Gavin56, Do you see a need to take a gun to church,how about a wedding, baptism,christening? It is not about taking away someones right to do anything, it is merly asking why would you need to have a gun on those instances, unless you are the one who has irrational fears of .....everybody and every situation.

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LauriH

Mar-15-14 7:59 PM

Scott36, you are very perceptive, the mindset of some of these people and their rights to carry firearms everywhere they go is mind blowing to me. I agree with you about Mr. Nugent, these people who respect what he says about gun owners rights but fail to judge the man on having sex with under age girls, but as I said before some of them would say "Keep your hands off my guns, but my 16 year old is fair game". I have no problem with people owning and even carrying a firearm, but some instances are inappropriate to do so. I am all for individual rights but I am also for using common sense as to when and where carrying a firearm is needed.

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gavinf56

Mar-15-14 7:44 PM

Interesting dichotomy. 2 individuals who own firearms, see a need to limit the freedom of others and an individual who owns no firearms and sees no need to, defending others right to possess and carry them. My at home protection are a couple of dogs who will let you know you are not at the right location.

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Scott36

Mar-15-14 7:34 PM

Gun owners such as myself and my husband disagree with your thought process.-LauriH

Correct me if I am wrong--It is my opinion from reading your posts, that it is not so much the "gun" as it is some of the "Yahoos"(good word for this debate), with their opinions/views. As for myself, I belonged to the NRA for literally decades. I stopped supporting them when they were "hijacked" by the Right. There is absolutely nothing on or off this earth that could persuade me to belong to any group that would have someone like Ted Nugent as a spokesman. That's just me. I'll be back in a short while, so do not think I am ignoring your response, should you choose to.-Scott

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LauriH

Mar-15-14 7:33 PM

Scott36, parade was alot of fun,weather was better than last year, it snowed.

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gavinf56

Mar-15-14 7:31 PM

"They are also the ones(IMO) that give gun owners a bad name." - Scott36

IMHO, that statement can be made about any group of individuals.

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LauriH

Mar-15-14 7:29 PM

Scott36, I am also a gun owner but I do feel some of the comments on this site make these people look like they are merly carrying a firearm to "save the day" if something were to happen. I was accused of having irrational fears, but I am not the one carrying a weapon everywhere I go, like some of these people.

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Scott36

Mar-15-14 7:18 PM

It seems like you are almost hoping for a problem.-LauriH

Lauri, as I have stated, I am a gun owner, & occasionally a concealed carrier. Your statement above, I believe to be correct, & those are the one's that spook me. They are also the ones(IMO) that give gun owners a bad name.- Hope you & yours had a Great time at the parade!!!-Scott

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Scott36

Mar-15-14 7:13 PM

If you oppose the NRA, you are a racist.-eriklatranyi

Yup, Everything is black/white.

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