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March 22, 2014

This letter is in response to Michael Shulski's letter of March 15,2014. entitled "The Gun Issue" I suggest it's worthwhile reading for anyone who wants to get a good idea of "Liberal Speak....

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JOHNLILLEY

Mar-28-14 10:07 PM

rick 424 does rick 424 stand for rick has 424 brain cells left? You are so far out there i'm surprised you have internet connection. When you comment, you make obama's work look good.

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rmiller

Mar-23-14 5:02 PM

Lauri,

You're welcome, I'm sorry that I didn't convey that...hoping also you understand where I'm coming from and since you carry, you surely hold to the "right" concept....

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LauriH

Mar-23-14 3:44 PM

rmiller, thanks for realizing what I was against.

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rmiller

Mar-23-14 2:40 PM

Better Rick, day by day...thanks for asking!

Larui, Apparently, you have mistaken my message and I'm sorry if I conveyed an endorsement of recklessness...I thought I mentioned that. You've explained that the woman was upset and I simply asked how you perceived the situation. What you just posted makes more sense. I do not condone the recklessness of the individual who did that in a dental office setting. I only said he has a right to do so. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to brandish a weapon in a professional setting, outside of defense. Having no reason, doesn't invalidate his Constitutional Right. I hope you understand what I'm asserting. Just because we have a right doesn't make it right....

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LauriH

Mar-23-14 9:30 AM

Mr. Miller, you are doing exactly what you accuse others of doing to you. You are down grading how these other people were feeling. Yes the 80 year old woman was very upset to the point of her body and her voice were very rattled, but she should just*****it up in your opinion. What if ( you carry based on what ifs also)the weapon discharged and accidently injured someone? You have to know that everyone does not have the same feelings as you do about this. I have said my peace and lastly I am not against having a gun, I am a gun owner, my problem lies when someone feels the need to carry a weapon on their person at every moment of every day. Why? What are you expecting to happen? Nothing will get resolved and I refuse to spend my Sunday going over the same thing, you and I will have to agree to disagree. What Robbie are you refering to?

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rick424

Mar-23-14 12:12 AM

I am doing well rmiller, thanks for asking. How about you? I see you are posting more now.

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rmiller

Mar-22-14 11:40 PM

Do you work for Robbie?

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rmiller

Mar-22-14 11:39 PM

How do you know others were upset? to what extent were they upset? I'm not justifying his carelessness, but he had the right to have the gun and I suspect he also had a permit to carry/concealed...what is it that people need to know? People who wouldn't kill, won't....people who will kill..most likely won't pull the gun out til they plan on using it, especially illegally. Nothing to hide people are much easier to get a fix on....I'm just suggesting that guns shouldn't upset others for no reason.

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rmiller

Mar-22-14 11:34 PM

Lauri,

As much as I believe this to be an incredibly foolish act, the "right to bear arms" is still in place. I'm guessing someone this thoughtless of possible ramifications, probably was harmless, brazen, but harmless. You mentioned the people around him and how/what they thought? Bearing/revealing a weapon isn't unnerving to me and I would speculate that the 80 yr. old woman has seen more than one weapon in her lifetime. Many people are pro-gun, even if they don't brandish one. It is persons who get alarmed about the possibility of danger that get themselves upset.

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LauriH

Mar-22-14 10:29 PM

Hi Rick, I will relay a story I told on another post,I work in the dental world and we actually had a man bring his child to a dental appointment, while waiting for his son to be called back he decided to play show and tell with his loaded gun(mind you,he told a lady in her 80s) to the numerous others in the office waiting room. Now please explain the rationale for that? You say that this does not bother you or the others that carry, what about the people who were bothered by this knucklebutt? There were children and older people in the waiting room at the same time and I will say they were quite bothered and upset. I know some will say that this is an isolated incident, but having the need to take or use your weapon at a dentist appt I don't think a reasonable reason exists.

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rmiller

Mar-22-14 9:26 PM

Road rage? The automobile itself is probably more dangerous than a gun, if you think about it.

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rmiller

Mar-22-14 9:24 PM

Hi Rick, Lauri,

Alcohol and guns don't mix, but then neither do fists and alcohol. :)

The equation is this perhaps. Yes, lets suppose more guns, more risk you suggest. The other part of this equation is if I was not armed (which I am most of the time) and someone is and puts my life at a threat...I"m probably going to pay attention. I see the gun as a deterrent to my staying alive. Reasonable people never desire to use their weapon. It is for self-defense or the defense of someone I love. Rick, I snickered when you spoke about guns in church because I have one on me when attending church as do several women I know, along with some of the men. It's just no one is bothered by it...

How are you anyhow Rick? :)

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LauriH

Mar-22-14 8:47 PM

Mr. Underwood, I hope you are right that the probability of that happening is very small. When it does happen though I don't think it will be insignificant to the family of the one who was killed by an enraged concealed gun carrier because he cut him off on the road or texted in the movies. It has and will continue to happen.

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underwood

Mar-22-14 8:29 PM

Rick, you posted that while I was answering Lauri’s post, so I’ll address you belatedly on that post.

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underwood

Mar-22-14 8:25 PM

Lauri, we often disagree, but I like most of your posts.

The reason I bring up probability is because, as an engineer it was always a major consideration in my work. If the probably of an occurrence is small enough, it isn’t worth spending a whole lot of time on. I believe the same thing is appropriate with this subject.

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rick424

Mar-22-14 8:24 PM

I am not understanding the question either Phil. If there is a gun in the equation for a road rage incident the higher the probability someone is going to get shot. I like the ones that want guns in bars. Mixing alcohol and guns does not seem like a good idea. Or allowing guns on college campuses. Or even churches, now that one makes no sense to me.

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LauriH

Mar-22-14 8:08 PM

Mr. Underwood, I do not know the answer to that question, but I would expect that number whatever it may be, to rise if everyone carried a gun. There are many hot headed people out there with "gun muscles" and some who would not hesitate to handle matters, no matter how small with that gun.

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rmiller

Mar-22-14 8:07 PM

When I get upset about the woman's right to "choice" because it is a Constitutional Right......oh well folks....

My Second Amendment Right says I have the

RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!!!!!!!!

Twist it, argue against it, fight it, but it is perhaps the one right still holding ground....you will never take away a person's right to defend their self. Unless of course you are in the womb!

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rmiller

Mar-22-14 8:01 PM

Nice letter, Marlin..

Still like the humor/truth behind: If guns kill how does anyone get out of a gun show alive?

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underwood

Mar-22-14 7:56 PM

Side, do you have an understanding of mathematical probability?

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sideliner

Mar-22-14 7:47 PM

Phil, but when road rage happens to someone with that concealed carry license, it just got kicked up a notch. So your argument is not helping your cause, here, buddy...

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underwood

Mar-22-14 7:24 PM

Lauri, what percentage of concealed carriers do you think are apt to use their guns in a moment of rage?

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LauriH

Mar-22-14 7:12 PM

Sideliner, I agree with you when you say "acts of rage, is a gun problem also" rage is a temporary emotion that does hopefully disapate in time. But when someone who is armed with a gun becomes enraged his or her voice of reason and responsibility goes out the window no matter how good of a person you are, couple that with someone who has a short fuse and feels the need to carry a gun everywhere, and you are bound to have more innocent people getting caught in the crossfire. I actually would thank Erik for carrying a concealed weapon, only if it did not cause more people being injured or killed. A friend of my daughters was just recently shot and killed in front of her mother, how would the situation been any different if they to had guns? Please enlighten me.

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underwood

Mar-22-14 6:47 PM

Side, we also have a road rage problem. The problem isn’t guns, it’s uncontrolled rage.

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sideliner

Mar-22-14 6:39 PM

enigma, I do not hate guns (or anything else, for that matter.) I don't fear them either. As a matter of fact, though I don't own one, I target shoot with friends on occasion and rather enjoy it.

Those friends are the same solid citizens you referred to. But enigma, as solid citizens who do respect the 2nd amendment, they and I, we, see the need for something to be done regarding the rampant, unnecessary, and destructive gun violence in this country.

The US has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world, yet we are somewhere in the middle in levels of gun violence. But this country sees far more gun violence than countries in Europe, and Canada, India and Australia. And when someone kills another in this country, it is generally done with a gun. Actually, 6 out of 10 homicides happen with a gun. Similarly gun-saturated countries do not see that high rate of gun related homicides.

So Phil, like it or not, we do have a gun problem.

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