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Pure dishonesty

March 23, 2014

I feel compelled to respond to a statement in Phil Underwood's letter in the March 7 2014 letter column: "Creationism versus evolution is an example of religious conflict with science....

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Luey22

Mar-25-14 4:00 PM

Bare with my scattered thoughts....

The movement of one crazy lady removed prayer from public schools. Not soon to follow, the politicians figured out how to dictate the curriculum being taught. All resulting in one h3$$ of a mess.

If any of you were told by a Genetic Counselor/family physician that your child would be born with Down's and they recommended termination...would you? If you kept that child would you sterilize them? Back in the day, BIG BROTHER demanded institutionalization and sterilization of individuals with certain Genetic disorders even if the individual was highly functioning.

I don't know about any of you, but I DO NOT want our Government playing God. They want your medical and educational records....why? Soon we all will be implanted with micro-chips so a scanner can read everything about us.....SCARY

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rmiller

Mar-25-14 2:21 PM

She had given her speech and was heading back to the "closure" area. Sitting alongside of my husband and I was a dad with his (guessing) 14-15 yr. old son, who had down syndrome. There were no cameras, present and no reporters, or this might have made news (at least locally). The young man asked Sarah for an autograph just as she was ready to step behind the bleachers. She stopped, signed his ticket and he asked to shake her hand. She looked at him and said, "I want more than that, I want a hug." She hugged him and I could see the beam on his father's face. There was no way to know where she was going to exit as there were a couple of choices. The incident touched me and it spoke to me about her character when "no one was looking." I would like to see a Carson/Palin ticket. She is a no nonsense individual and Carson is a first class act, no political gain, no need for the office...That's just my take.

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rmiller

Mar-25-14 2:14 PM

As for "using religion" for their advantage? They will answer to God, not I. God does care, however who we vote for in elections, We are sadly running out of choices and have been for some time, now. We literally do vote (most of us) for the lesser of the evils....

On another note, I was at a rally for Sarah Palin. Like her or not, this is something we witnessed personally that touched my heart, as well as the heart of God, no doubt and it wasn't done for a photo op.

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rmiller

Mar-25-14 2:10 PM

Scott,

Thanks again for the thoughts and prayers! Here's where I stand, personally. Of course it bothers me that an individual uses Christianity to bolster their agenda. On the other hand, if a person is a Christian, we as voters should know where they stand on the issues that are important to us, in order to be an informed voter. And, I'm not just talking about moral issues that arise in the political arena. I'm also concerned about all areas involved within the political arena. IMO, I don't know of a solid Christian in politics anymore.

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Scott36

Mar-25-14 11:19 AM

rmiller,

I am glad to hear that your struggles are slowly, but surely healing!! I mentioned you in prayer, it is nice to see it "happening"!!

To the one sentence you knew I was going to respond to--Why would I have let it pass??:)

You probably also knew I would respond to this one: "The Republican platform only panders to the evangelical crowd when the individual running is shy on spiritual conviction and they need to bolster our voting block." First off, IMO, it is not a politicians job to bolster one's "spiritual conviction", That is the Clergy's job. But IMO, the 2nd point is the strongest--"need to bolster our voting block." Doesn't it bother you that religion is being USED in this way?? Not to Glorify God, but a political party, and to win an election?? It bothers me, when anyone uses religion for personal "earthly" gains. JMHO-Scott- Have a Safe, & Happy day!!!

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Yoxtheimer

Mar-25-14 12:24 AM

I will be glad when the sun supernovas eviscerating the earth so this silly matter can finally be resolved.

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rmiller

Mar-24-14 11:41 PM

Those fruits? The Bible defines them and they are too many to enumerate, but they are there. One of the primary fruits that God "judges" is the people in our lives that we have shared the Gospel with, more than we have cared about the next step to power/greed/lust. God only cares what is done for Him, not what is done for the world. What wee do "in" the world differs from what we do "for" the world. God's views differ radically from man's and only His Word will reveal those desires. Obama is by no means the only president who claimed to be a Christian, but in truth, isn't. FTR? I don't believe Bush was, either and I have one statement he made while in office that changed my entire opinion of him to draw that conclusion.

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rmiller

Mar-24-14 11:35 PM

Scott,

It's just that we don't care that he does. Since He is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent, He certainly does care about politics as the political world defines most of our to do's or not to do's lists. That being said, He still gives us a choice when we go to the polls. Who the people elect, is who God establishes as President/King/Emperor depending on the country one lives in. The election, may or may not be His Sovereign will, rather His submissive will (allowing us to have what we want. As God has done in history past, he raises up leaders and He puts them down - ultimately and strangely enough, it is for his glory. No, Obama is not a Christian as defined by the Bible. One cannot believe it is O.K., to be a Muslim (his words) one day, support homosexuality and abortion another day, and make a practice of lying on a continuum. His ideology in life is contrary to what God holds to be truth. We shall know them by their fruits.

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rmiller

Mar-24-14 11:25 PM

Scott, hello again and thanks for the well wishes. I only struggle with some lapses in memory and some muscle issues, but thank the Lord I'm here to talk about it. :)

Now, to your comment. Somehow I knew that the left to moderate in you :) would pull that one particular statement and run with it. As I was typing it, I knew it. Here's the caveat. I care not what others think as to party ideology. In my "hippie" days and long before Christ, I was a Democrat. The older I got, and a collision course with The Holy God I serve, the Republican platform held more (not all) of my moral convictions. Notice, I made the change in my life, some time ago. The Republican platform only panders to the evangelical crowd when the individual running is shy on spiritual conviction and they need to bolster our voting block. You are incorrect when you assert that God does not care about politics. He cares about every minute detail in all of our lives.

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Scott36

Mar-24-14 10:24 PM

Hi, rmiller, I hope your health, & strength is returning double fold for you!! Now to your one statement:

. "On the other hand, I don't know many (and I'm going to explain why) Democrats who are Christian."-rmiller

My personal belief is that the Good Lord could care less about politics. I have followed the "Conservative" movement since Reagan. It is MHO, that they try to claim it(Christianity)as their own. Take an honest look at southern Evangelists for example. Pat Robertson is also a shining example. Even Franklin Graham,(son of Billy Graham)has made questionable remarks that favor the Conservative side.Questioning Obama's faith,(Obama says he is Christian,& accepts Jesus),for political reasons--THAT is for God to decide-IMHO, Politics and Religion do not mix, nor should they. I personally find it offensive for a political party to claim Christianity(or any religion) as their own, or that God favors them over others.-JMHO-Scott-Be Safe, &

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rmiller

Mar-24-14 6:41 PM

I know Republicans who automatically call themselves Christians who do so only to appeal to their "conservative" friends/base. Also, the Democrat base at one time, would shudder at the so called, "Republican" platform today. I don't assume someone's profession of Christianity, their fruits will show. Political affiliation is irrelevant actually.

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rmiller

Mar-24-14 6:41 PM

Hi Scott,

For what it is worth?

"Great point. You can plainly see how Religion is used to control people by simply looking at the "Religious Right". Basically, If you do not profess to be of a certain political persuasion, you obviously are not Moral, or Christian.-JMHO-Scott "

Political persuasion does not determine Christian or moral perspective. I know Republicans who are anything but moral or Christian. On the other hand, I don't know many (and I'm going to explain why) Democrats who are Christian. Democrats typically lean left in ideology, which if one is a Christian, the ideals are not in line with their values. That being said, cont.

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Scott36

Mar-24-14 9:42 AM

Love how the Christian right says that those on the left have no faith then try to tell us we do when they discuss creationism versus science.-CMReeder

Great point. You can plainly see how Religion is used to control people by simply looking at the "Religious Right". Basically, If you do not profess to be of a certain political persuasion, you obviously are not Moral, or Christian.-JMHO-Scott

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CMReeder

Mar-24-14 8:30 AM

Love how the Christian right says that those on the left have no faith then try to tell us we do when they discuss creationism versus science.

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MrShaman

Mar-24-14 6:42 AM

"I find it odd that people who so adamantly put all of their faith in unproven scientific theories are so quick to ridicule those whose faith is in a Creator. Apparently you feel that your faith is superior to our faith. But in the end, it's all just that, faith." - mikekerstetter

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....And, the sooner faith-based folks recognize the difference, between belief...and, knowledge...the better-off we'll ALL be.

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Luey22

Mar-23-14 11:00 PM

Relene, I do not believe in Darwin Evolution. I have never discounted my faith over science. When you let living organisms in nature alone....they will breed accordingly (not apes and humans). That is why different species of a "certain" Genus of fish around here has been classified within the past 20 years. YES, new..... species....not GENUS

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Luey22

Mar-23-14 10:37 PM

"Clearly the creationists do not know what species is" CReeder....only on here

In fact, all of my Collegiate Science educators were staunch Christians. Creation was never questioned and we sure did learn a lot about how life evolved.

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rmiller

Mar-23-14 10:32 PM

Luey,

If believing that you evolved from a primate makes you a happy camper, have at it....

I was guessing by the intelligence of your posts that you would rise above the nonsense notion that you evolved, with literally no purpose or hope, outside of your primordial instincts, but I'm sorely wrong. Guess, it's that mutant genetic pool that caused my "hypothesis" regarding your make-up.

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Luey22

Mar-23-14 10:14 PM

Truth be told, if we humans left everything up to natural selection there would be many more sub-species of sapiens on Earth today. The gene pool would take on a mind of its own, especially if those with genetic disorders breed. Scott, we are now classified as a sub-species, not just Homo sapiens (rather Homo sapien sapiens).

Relene, you did come from dust. Do you know what dust is primarily made-up of? The same elements in your body. You fall a little short of the Glory when you discount water....sorry, needed for every chemical reaction in your body.

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CMReeder

Mar-23-14 8:55 PM

Clearly the creationists do not know what species is.

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Scott36

Mar-23-14 8:32 PM

Mutations are very interesting, because they are "errors" in replication that can lead to a new species,(most genetic mutations often end in spontaneous abortions because they are not viable).-Luey22

I am not sure I am with you--New species?? What would classify it as a new species, compared to calling it the same species with a genetic defect?? Also, if "it"(forgive me for lack of a better description)survives, & reproduces with a "normal" one of the species, what is it then(the offspring)?? I am truly curious.-Scott

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underwood

Mar-23-14 6:04 PM

Mutations and genetic variability coupled with survival of the fittest are the mechanism of natural selection or evolution.

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Luey22

Mar-23-14 5:10 PM

Mutations are very interesting, because they are "errors" in replication that can lead to a new species,(most genetic mutations often end in spontaneous abortions because they are not viable). Are these new "mutated" species caused because of the environment during gene alignment? Can these "new species" replicate? Dwarfs do! Never discount anything when it comes to human evolution, without outside interference. I am not talking dog-cat, whale-dolphin, and human-ape breeding either.

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rmiller

Mar-23-14 5:00 PM

Hi Luey,

"Fact is, no one will ever know. "

That is what science would have creationists believe, as we have accepted one thing, all the time, same thing...consistency. Science on the other hand keeps changing and science admits it is in a state of flux. So, yes, I do know Luey and I stand on the beginning, the Alpha and Omega...I'm not out here wandering, created from some type of liquid form, indeed I was created from dust, destroying the liquid beginnings.

It must be a hopeless and depressing thought to believe one has no purpose outside of some theory of how they came to be. Talk about no evidence. All the theories, only one truth.

"In the beginning, God created..."

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underwood

Mar-23-14 4:19 PM

Great post, Luey.

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