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Faith vs. science

March 26, 2014

In the Sun-Gazette Feb. 6, there was an article on the debate between Ken Ham, founder and president of the Answers in Genesis organization and “Bill Nye the Science Guy.” To quote Mr....

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Snydbob

Mar-28-14 10:56 AM

God used the "Big Bang" to create the Earth. The men who wrote the Bible (no, God did not write the Bible) had no understanding of the natural sciences and how they worked. They could only describe the creation the way they did. It is clear that God knows how to uses these natural laws and he used them to create the "heavens and the earth". In other words, He caused the Big Bang. Mystery solved.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Mar-28-14 6:00 AM

Luey22,

Is it okay for a teacher or professor to share their personal opinions on Darwinism or Creationism (young earth vs old earth) if asked by a student? Either during class, after class, or away from school?

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Luey22

Mar-27-14 11:20 PM

It is improper for any Science (HS/Collegiate) teacher to ask that question. PA. Universities do not train educators to teach Creationism OR Darwinism, because they do not teach it! What they do teach is modern day observational Science. They do not discount God and say "one way or the highway," but certain Religious sects do.....DON'T they Relene?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Mar-27-14 10:13 PM

"I have a question. Who owns publishing rights to Bibles? Who is receiving royalties from every sale? Someone(s) are. Just curious." --Spike2

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Probably the publishing companies or whomever owns the rights to the different translations.

But you can still get Greek, Hebrew, Latin texts and make your own translation and then you can copyright it and own the rights.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Mar-27-14 10:07 PM

complex components of the cell evolve together at the same time to have life when if one of them was missing anytime in the evolutionary chain, the cell would not live."

I would think the good biology, anatomy, physiology teacher would point out the complexities, interdependencies of the cell but say that evolution doesn't explain why they exist. Also it is not 100% conclusive evidence to say that God exists because the cell is so complex but it doesn't rule out an intelligent designer.

BTW, there are probably some things that I would disagree with Ken Ham on.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Mar-27-14 10:06 PM

"is it proper for an Anatomy and Physiology teacher to ask his or her student if they believe in God? What purpose does it serve? How many posters on here ever took a collegiate level coarse entitled Creationism?" --Luey22

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I am not sure all the intent of you question but I believe in good science. And let the facts go where they go but don't make or cling to conclusions that have questionable support. Recognize that we don't know all the answers and there can be gaps in our knowledge.

For instance, we can look into a cell now days with equipment that was not available in Darwin's time. We can see that the inside of a cell in much more complex than Darwin knew; in fact multiple interactive components are necessary for the life of the cell. If one of those components was missing or didn't have the same functionality, the cell could not survive. If you view evolution as numerous, successive, slight modifications, it makes you ask yourself "how could all these co

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Luey22

Mar-27-14 5:35 PM

@Texas- is it proper for an Anatomy and Physiology teacher to ask his or her student if they believe in God? What purpose does it serve? How many posters on here ever took a collegiate level coarse entitled Creationism?

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SWCCrew

Mar-27-14 3:17 PM

'It's called faith.'

Well then. One's faith in the six-headed spaghetti monster is equally as valid as your faith in the space god. Or would you like to dispute that?

Faith is faith. N'est pas?

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LaughIn

Mar-27-14 1:23 PM

Yes, the laws of logic vs the laws of nature. Read some of the logic posted on this thread. I thought schools were teaching children how to think critically????

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AmericanCitizen

Mar-27-14 12:51 PM

Yes, faith - the idea that believing in something without evidence is morally superior to investigation and verification.

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LaughIn

Mar-27-14 11:19 AM

Timeless Classic's- How did we get here and how old is man? In the beginning of human exsistance, God (universe, environment, magic, whatever people think, ?) created man and woman. However, before man, their were singled celled organisms with the ability to divide into two like selves. Anyways, now that man has evolved to use better technologies, there will always be a drive to answer the timeless classic's. The End

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SteelerFan

Mar-27-14 8:11 AM

'It would be awfully nice if believing in Jesus as the Savior gets one into eternal happiness. But, since nobody has reported back from death that I'm aware of, how do we know for sure?'

It's called faith.

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spike2

Mar-27-14 7:54 AM

I have a question. Who owns publishing rights to Bibles? Who is receiving royalties from every sale? Someone(s) are. Just curious.

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SWCCrew

Mar-27-14 6:48 AM

"And, since it has been proven that Jesus Christ did live and was a real human being."

No, it hasn't been proved. Other religions promise eternal life. Just ask Al Queda with their promise of virgins. Different sects of Hinduism and Buddhism promise salvation and eternal life.

The fact is, there is no evidence whatsoever that our personality survives our physical death, not even for five minutes, far less for eternity. That means that the idea of eternal consciousness is no more than an abstract notion for philosophers and theologians to play with. It is meaningless and irrelevant to the reality in which we live.

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SWCCrew

Mar-27-14 6:38 AM

.oh He's real.

LOL. He is? I have my money on Thor. Maxwell's golden hammer came down upon his head. Bang, bang, Maxwell's hammer came down and he was dead.

BTW - quoting C.S. Lewis won't earn you anything in the logic department.

And, I've known many people who suffered worse than your so-called Jesus. I'm not impressed with his sacrifice.

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SWCCrew

Mar-27-14 6:34 AM

"many people (even scientific people) think there is an intelligent designer."

So? Many people think Elvis is dead. Many people claim to have been abducted by aliens. I used to believe in Santa Claus. Then when I grew up and started reasoning for myself.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Mar-27-14 3:05 AM

"This is not a Science question- Do you believe in God?" --luey22

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Actually because of the intricacies in the design of environment/universe/earth, complexities of human beings, the Big Bang theory (ie it appears that the universe came into existence at a particular time and place), second law of thermodynamics, etc., many people (even scientific people) think there is an intelligent designer. Maybe not a giver of moral law, or personal being that can relate to us, or one worthy of praise but at least a designer.

In a simplistic manner, one may look at Mt Rushmore to see the shapes of the faces carved into the rock were caused by a designer because that doesn't happen when just left to random.

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Luey22

Mar-27-14 12:25 AM

AwesomeAgnostic- Ken Ham even discounts parts of the Bible....his gaps in knowledge are filled with his interpretation of something that has been translated 100x over. He reminds me of Jim Baker...

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Luey22

Mar-27-14 12:12 AM

Relene- I am not trying to be funny, but, have you read the first Bible ever written?

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rmiller

Mar-26-14 11:50 PM

See, The people I mentioned? They didn't come with a law book to bring order and focus into our lives. We don't anwere to them for anything, so we certainly don't worry about their existence, right? Think about it? To know there is a God, might (and it does) require accountability. And, guess what? None of us likes that inside of us, it's called the natural man....again...God's truth.

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rmiller

Mar-26-14 11:47 PM

(some who then recorded post ascension events) and the millions of lives who have been radically changed) with witnesses to those changes.....the universe and its majesty, and the very next breath you and I take.....oh He's real. Here's something to think about. For every single doubt cast His way, and every blub spouted about His life and or non existence, thousands of years ago, He predicted that all these things would be said and done. The prophesy alone speaks to His never ending love and yet, there will be few who enter in. Do you think that just because believers can't physically place Him in your hand, that He is non-existent? I pose this question to many and I'll ask it again. How many of you can prove to me, George Washington existed? Alexander the Great? King Edward VIII? Columbus? Outside of your history books, you can't prove it, can you? They aren't tangible , so where is the proof?

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rmiller

Mar-26-14 11:39 PM

Nobody,

"It would be awfully nice if believing in Jesus as the Savior gets one into eternal happiness. But, since nobody has reported back from death that I'm aware of, how do we know for sure?"

Fair question...let me pose this to you. What other "god" from any other religion on the face of ths earth makes this promise? And, since it has been proven that Jesus Christ did live and was a real human being, He is either the biggest fraud walking or He is who He says He is, The Son of God. Please give research into the other "ways" into eternal life. See if you can come up with, "One who claims to be The Son of God, One who has a book written on Him that for ions has had hundreds upon thousands of people trying to destroy a "book", One who died a horrific death of crucifixion on a cross, claiming to do so because He loved mankind, rising Himself from the dead, and then with hundreds of witnesses

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rmiller

Mar-26-14 11:31 PM

Luey,

" (Religion has split and branched into different species itself)"

Not certain what you are asserting, but religion has split and broken into branches/denominations over time. Christ hasn't changed since the beginning.

SWCCrew,

God has taken the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. People are ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of truth. The Bible talks about people who will spend their lives trying to refute the Word of God...and they do...every time someone spouts out something like you just did, you re-enforce the Scriptures.

Luey,

Was King David real? King Solomon? Queen of Sheba? Nebacuneezer? If these people were indeed historical, and factual.....is only that part of the Bible true, or a lie also in your history? Or, don't we study ME history?

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rmiller

Mar-26-14 11:22 PM

I love that last sentence in this letter.....

Mercury,

"Not trying to be funny but, did GOD write the Bible?"

The original texts? Through the penmanship of man and breathing into their hearts what to write/ and sometimes speaking to them....yes..He did write the Bible. And, I'm not being funny, either. The Bible is the inspired, Holy Spirit, written word of God.

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Luey22

Mar-26-14 9:14 PM

This is not a Science question- Do you believe in God?

This should not be a Religious question- Do you believe that man has evolved? (Religion has split and branched into different species itself)

True or False-At one time organized Religion dictated everything?

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