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April 2, 2014

The following paragraph was the lead from an article on page A-6 of Tuesday's Sun-Gazette: The head of the U.N....

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-02-14 10:33 PM

"Liberals consult such experts as climate scientists, listen to what they have to say and try to act accordingly."

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"As part of its plan to reduce U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, the Obama administration is targeting the dairy industry to reduce methane emissions in their operations. White House looks to regulate cow flatulence as part of climate agenda."

Looks like the cows need a union.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-02-14 10:15 PM

"Our schools and colleges don't teach this actual history about our past and now tell us to beware of climate change that is cause by coal."

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Now Elijah the Tishbite, from Tishbe in Gilead, said to Ahab, “As the Lord, the God of Israel, lives, whom I serve, there will be neither dew nor rain in the next few years except at my word.” --1 Kings 17:1

Since some don't like to credit the climate to God, I guess that the Israelites were burning too much coal in their homes. Yeah right.

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FormerEastEnder

Apr-02-14 9:18 PM

AHA !!!.. a way around it.. download the app to your phone.. read the letter/article and come back and comment here !!...lol... at least the app is free.. for now...

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Premier

Apr-02-14 7:11 PM

Thanks Sun Gazette, a whole day with no YouTube references to laugh at!

THIS WILL NOT STAND!

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Ritty77

Apr-02-14 7:00 PM

A quick look around shows that National Review is cheaper in print than digital. Time magazine makes you get the print first, then digital and "subscriber only content" comes with that. USA Today doesn't seem to have an online version of the paper. Their web site is free and probably contains much of the same content as the paper, but it also has breaking news and real-time sports scores, etc. So that's really not the same thing, since the SG is just a pdf of the paper.

Lots of apples to oranges there, but if you want the SG, getting the print and digital for the price of one seems like a good deal, to me.

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CaveFelem

Apr-02-14 6:34 PM

Mike, they must have been given a standard response. Here's mine:

"The fee structure was setup with a purpose of increasing the value of a paper subscription and making our paper available to those who can not get home delivery."

I am technically in the delivery area, but no one on my road has a Sun Gazette box. I almost want to subscribe to the 7 day home delivery just so I can get online content and actually cost them money. This fee structure is stupid.

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Ritty77

Apr-02-14 6:15 PM

Thanks for the "my account" instructions, Mike.

Um, so what happens if a subscriber first thing in the morning quotes some or all of the LTE with his comment. Seems weird to allow comments by people who can't read the letter or article.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-02-14 5:17 PM

BTW, if you click on the 'SUBSCRIBE' link at the top, it will take you to the 'online store' and there you will find a link for 'MY ACCOUNT'

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mikekerstetter

Apr-02-14 5:13 PM

Yeah, Ritty, I can read a few words and then the rest is a blurb to subscribe to keep reading. I can go to the comments section, as you can see, but I can't read what I am commenting on.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-02-14 5:11 PM

I quit getting the paper edition a few years ago because I didn't read the whole paper and it was a hassle getting rid of the paper.... either having to burn it, pay to put it in the trash, or recycle it. I wouldn't mind paying to read the paper online, but I can't figure out why it costs me as much to read it online as it does to get it delivered to my door. I feel like I'm being cheated or penalized because I don't want the print edition. The response I got was that "the fee structure was setup with a purpose of increasing the value of a paper subscription and making our paper available to those who cannot get home delivery." But they will pass on the suggestion to lower the online edition only price.

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Premier

Apr-02-14 5:07 PM

Ritty, you can still comment but if you don't have the subscription you can't read but a couple lines of the article. Thus your commenting on something you can't access.

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Ritty77

Apr-02-14 4:36 PM

OK, but how are they posting their complaints? I guess it hasn't started yet?

I can't sign out of this section (or view my list of previous posts, etc) in order to try to sign in again so I can read the details. Does it say when this section is going over to a pay service?

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spike2

Apr-02-14 4:36 PM

No pop-ups. The standard auto insurance ads. it's actually kind of nice having the entire paper again. i think anyone who uses a tablet or reads e-books will like this edition. I believe a 3 month subscription averages the same as a hard copy and at least it will never be late, wet or missed.

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djzlucky

Apr-02-14 4:07 PM

Ritty...no, not free. "Same" as in, once you've signed in with a username/password combo linked to a paid subscription, everything on sungazette**** will look as it always has.

This will definitely affect anyone that doesn't have either the print or online only subscription...thus all of the complaints.

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Ritty77

Apr-02-14 4:01 PM

"When I signed up yesterday no where did it say how to access it."

There's no "account" link at the top of these pages anymore; the digital is a separate account and log-in. There might be some bugs to work out.

The domain for the new version is "mynewsonthego(dot)com."

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Ritty77

Apr-02-14 3:58 PM

" Ritty, at least for now this online abridged version with commenting enables is supposed to stay the same."

By "the same" do you mean still free? So nothing changes except there's an option to buy a full digital subscription? I am a print subscriber, so it really doesn't affect me, but it seems like it might not affect anyone.

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Premier

Apr-02-14 3:53 PM

Took a call to the Sun to get this figured out. So now there is an " All Access E-Edition" tab at the top. It's in kind of a PDF format. When I signed up yesterday no where did it say how to access it.

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djzlucky

Apr-02-14 3:47 PM

This isn't the digital version. This is the abridged version that's always been here and that has never been an exact copy of the print version. Like Ritty said, the digital version is an exact match to the print.

Ritty, at least for now this online abridged version with commenting enables is supposed to stay the same.

I laugh at all the conservatives upset at losing one of their entitlements!

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Premier

Apr-02-14 3:34 PM

This is the "digital" version. I see absolutely no difference. To be P I s s e d is an understatement.

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Ritty77

Apr-02-14 2:32 PM

I guess I'm not understanding the new digital subscription thing. The digital version is like a pdf that looks just like the paper and you flip pages and zoom in and out. Is the current abridged version with the comment sections that we use going to be affected? When does it start? Thanks.

Enjoy the spring weather, everyone!

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JabbaTheHutt

Apr-02-14 1:14 PM

So subscriber-ship is down and they figure more folks are reading articles on the website rather than in the actual paper - probably accurate. I don't think I'd pay $5 a month let alone $13 to get to read online content. Poor decision SG. Doubt you will gain many new subscribers by this trick. There's just no value in it for the customer. I thought advertising paid for the print edition.

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enigma

Apr-02-14 12:59 PM

"Free speech does have a price." - Chuck

No Chuck, wrong again. The speech is free the service is not. The news has always had a price. You don't work for free, why should they?

I'd like to say I'll miss you Chuck, but I probably won't. I will, however, continue to pray for you. God Bless.

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ericwilliamsport

Apr-02-14 12:26 PM

Hah it gets better, my wife and I both can't use the same "paper" subscription for our individual SunGazette dot com accounts. I guess because I subscribe to the paper at home means that no one else in the house can look at it but me.

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nobud74

Apr-02-14 11:59 AM

Spike, do you still get all the annoying popups and all the rest of the garbage? If not, that may sway me. Thanks.

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underwood

Apr-02-14 11:11 AM

I already get the hard copy, so the new system is no problem for me. My wife prefers the hard copy, but if it’s eliminated, I’ll get her a tablet so she’ll have to break down and read the digital version.

As for climate change, nobody denies climate changes, but the reasons for those changes are far from settled science. It takes a lot more than politics to make anything settled science. The whole nature of science is to question and test everything and the weather will always be under scrutiny.

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