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Encourage industrialization

April 3, 2014

Environmentalists believe industrialized nations pollute the environment more because they use more fuel and energ....

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-05-14 7:38 AM

Johnyad3,

Many creeks in PA are almost as big as some rivers in other states.

I don't think you can compare Loyalsock creek to what he was proposing to da.m up for a stock pond.

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johnnyad3

Apr-04-14 9:04 AM

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It was supposed to read be able to d a m the Loyalsock or Larrys Creek

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johnnyad3

Apr-04-14 9:01 AM

Texas-You made it sound like this guy built a pond in his backyard. Damming a creek is different than digging a hole in your yard for the purpose of having a pond. Do you think any one of us would be able do****the Loyalsock or even Larrys Creek? No because there are implications downstream.

He doesn't own the creek and since it is a creek under US jurisdiction, he needed to get a federal permit too which he neglected to do.

You probably just used a bad example because I don't have a problem with doing something on your property as long as it doesn't harm the environment or people as a result of the project.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-03-14 8:15 PM

"Texas--you can ditch thru a wetland when it is dry--Ask Talisman as I helped them get the OK." --Alsever

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I know of a pipeline that is going to have separate HDD's under a river and a canal. In between them is a mile plus wide flood plain that is dry most of the year. In fact there are some river cabins on stilts along the river bank; people drive along it and a rancher runs cattle. There are all ready 5 or 6 pipelines that were installed 20-40 years ago via open cut methods. Now the pipeline that is looking at going in, the Fish and Game want a mile plus HDD under the flood plain instead of open cut like prior pipeline. Incremental costs are $2 MM+. Some of it is the specific people at the regulatory agencies.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-03-14 8:04 PM

Steelman/JohnnyAd3, Google "Homeowner faces $75,000 A DAY fine for homemade pond" or "epa lawsuit stockpond wyoming andy johnson". He got local permits first but the EPA wants to stop him.

I agree with protecting natural wetland and not draining them or destroying them but somethings that are classified as wetlands may be as simple as a man-made drainage ditch that holds water much of the year or floodplain adjacent to a river that may only overflow its banks a couple of times per year. A lot of it is in the eyes of local regulators interpretations.

I have donated money to Ducks Unlimited in the past and knew that much of it went to helping with wetlands habitat for migratory birds.

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Ritty77

Apr-03-14 6:33 PM

@Premier, I may have the two backwards. Clearly, something's amiss.

@johnnyad3, It will be interesting to see what all he had in there.

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eriklatranyi

Apr-03-14 6:15 PM

The same liberals who oppose hydrocarbon energy and industrialization also lament the loss of manufacturing jobs to other nations.

Frankly, those liberals are stupid idiots.

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Premier

Apr-03-14 5:23 PM

Ritty, generation is about 33% of your bill. I also have PPL Plus. Ironically my bill went up by 72%. Can you cut me a check? :}

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johnnyad3

Apr-03-14 3:12 PM

I don't get it Ritty. He's been collecting for more than 70 years and the FBI just shows up to investigate? If he bought this stuff before there were laws about it, aren't they his?

If he obtained the relics illegally, that's something else but he hasn't been charged or arrested. There's something strange with this story. It's not adding up.

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Ritty77

Apr-03-14 2:04 PM

"I also think we should send in the cultural experts before destroying artifacts if they are reasonably certain it is indeed a site where these things can be saved." —johnnyad3

Related: See: "FBI seizes thousands of artifacts from rural Indiana home"

From the article:

""Frankly, overwhelmed," is how Larry Zimmerman, professor of anthropology and museum studies at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis described his reaction. "I have never seen a collection like this in my life except in some of the largest museums.""

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Ritty77

Apr-03-14 1:55 PM

Good letter, Phil.

Speaking of industrialization, my electric bill went down 72% from last month. I was surprised! A closer look reveals that PPL didn't bill for generation, only transmission. My supplier is PPL Plus. I'm guessing they'll catch their mistake.

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bobbae2

Apr-03-14 11:58 AM

No one has to look for arrowheads or any historical items unless the project gets federal funds or need a federal, permit--In PA if the Pennsylvania Historical staff "Mandate" a dig, they must pay for it!

Not true.

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Alsever

Apr-03-14 11:05 AM

Texas--you can ditch thru a wetland when it is dry--Ask Talisman as I helped them get the OK. You don't need a permit to build 99.99% of ponds in Pa--only very large ones. No one has to look for arrowheads or any historical items unless the project gets federal funds or need a federal, permit--In PA if the Pennsylvania Historical staff "Mandate" a dig, they must pay for it!

The items you mention are made up by Consultants for the energy industry attempting to increase their fees.

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underwood

Apr-03-14 10:37 AM

The local or state level should regulate activities that affect the environment beyond an individual’s property, or that would have long lasting consequences to the overall environment. Polluting the environment is, and ought to be, against the law.

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Steelman

Apr-03-14 10:21 AM

"build a stock pond on their own property or you can't get approvals to ditch through a "wetland" during the dry season"........Texas

These are the types of things that need to be monitored to ensure we are not damaging the infrastructure of the environment. when you start rerouting and delineating wet lands that's when we run into flooding and water contamination along with various other side effects

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johnnyad3

Apr-03-14 8:42 AM

I was with you on your first two examples. But we've filled in/built over too many wetlands essential to wildlife and have ended up with sprawl without efficiency. I also think we should send in the cultural experts before destroying artifacts if they are reasonably certain it is indeed a site where these things can be saved. Good planning is all it takes.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-03-14 6:44 AM

Going hand in hand with industrialization needs to be a care for the human being and a knowledge of how various industrialization wastes can affect people and how they can be reasonably minimized. Certain standards and good operating practices need to be in place. But when an approval for an XL P/L drag along or a person can't build a stock pond on their own property or you can't get approvals to ditch through a "wetland" during the dry season, or you need to sent cultural experts on to private property looking for arrow heads to approve the routing, then government has gone amuck.

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