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April 3, 2014

I always pay careful attention to the letters submitted by Ira Temple of the Mansfield Tea Party. I can identify with some of her frustration with the government and business....

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johnnyad3

Apr-04-14 11:47 AM

I don't know Phil. I don't think people like being poor. I know I didn't like it and always strove to do better. I've worked at McDonalds. I've been a dishwasher, a landscaper, and held down other minimum wage jobs. I've been on UC. Living paycheck to paycheck stinks. That's why I never subscribed to some peoples' view here about the poor electing to stay poor and live off the government.

We need investment that will create jobs. And not the type of jobs that Wal-Mart provides where people have to, after working, collect food stamps so they can do their grocery shopping at Wal-Mart.

We need an education system that is affordable to train people in the work that will be available.

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underwood

Apr-04-14 9:26 AM

Johnny, most people are uncomfortable just being poor. If we remove that by fostering the attitude that one can receive enough assistance from government to live comfortably without working, many will adopt that as a lifestyle. It was interesting, while researching for a past LTE, to read quotes by JFK and LBJ as they were pushing and enacting the war on poverty. Things have changed dramatically since progressives have taken control of the Democratic Party.

How uncomfortable do you think people have to be before work looks better than assistance?

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johnnyad3

Apr-04-14 8:46 AM

Good morning Phil: Where did I imply anything. I asked a question. Enigma implied to get the poor "productive", we as a society, need to make them uncomfortable. I only asked how uncomfortable do we make them before they are no longer poor and they become productive.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-04-14 8:06 AM

"Honestly, I don't have a problem paying for the Sun-Gazette, if it helps them stay afloat.

My problem with paying is that it strips me of my anonymity. One might rightfully ask: "What, you got something to hide?"

And my honest answer for various reasons is, yes I do have reasons to hide my identity. And none of my reasons are nefarious, just a matter of smart business coupled with a real understanding of the local power structure." --Nobody

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Maybe you could find someone that wanted the paper and you would buy it for them in their name but you keep the digital portion of the subscription?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-04-14 8:03 AM

"I see I can still post, although pointless because I can't fairly comment if I can't read the whole article." --rick424

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That didn't seem to stop you in the past? :-)

So what pasture are you going to move onto? What group are you going to try to share your wisdom with? Are you going to feed you ideology with only similar ideology?

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eriklatranyi

Apr-03-14 9:19 PM

The Tea Party is the answer to inside Washington, crony capitalism inside the GOP.

Where is the liberal version?

Nonexistent.

Liberals complain about corruption and cronyism as much as anyone.

But their complaints are only words....nothing more.

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underwood

Apr-03-14 4:26 PM

“Regarding your second post, how uncomfortable would you like to make poor people?”

Johnny, you’re implying that someone is making poor people poor and uncomfortable. No one wants to make people poor and uncomfortable. The question should be are we offering a hand up or than a hand out.

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johnnyad3

Apr-03-14 1:25 PM

Enigma-It's not my report. Your first post though confirmed their conclusion especially when you said: "Big government takes freedom and money from the middle class,"

Regarding your second post, how uncomfortable would you like to make poor people?

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Nobody

Apr-03-14 1:25 PM

Honestly, I don't have a problem paying for the Sun-Gazette, if it helps them stay afloat.

My problem with paying is that it strips me of my anonymity. One might rightfully ask: "What, you got something to hide?"

And my honest answer for various reasons is, yes I do have reasons to hide my identity. And none of my reasons are nefarious, just a matter of smart business coupled with a real understanding of the local power structure.

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rick424

Apr-03-14 12:41 PM

"I guess if you don't get it for free then they want no part of it."

True in some respect. It was fun when it was free but to me it is not worth the money. This paper is far too right for me and favors the gas industry too much. I feel they report local news poorly and miss many good stories and the stories they do print seem incomplete. This is my opinion but I bet some others feel this way. I see a LTE here that normally would have 50 or 60 comments by now but here it is with only 20 or so. Some of the letters have no comments. Sad, really sad.

I see I can still post, although pointless because I can't fairly comment if I can't read the whole article.

Have fun arguing one sided arguments. Cheers!!

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bobbae2

Apr-03-14 11:52 AM

oxymoron: Conjoining contradictory terms

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Alsever

Apr-03-14 10:58 AM

LOL, Democrat hard earned money, definite oxymoron.--Oxymoron is Greek and means "foolish but true"

resident liberals are gone--Then who is writing all of these comments? Tea Party & Republicans are the biggest Liberals we have--Rush is their biggest & fattest member! Bunch of bleeding hearts who won't stop SSI; Medicare; or Medicade. Let our Nukes rust in their silos but still buy more! And just what is wrong with Medical Triages for senior citizens? We did it to 19 year old soldiers in Viet Nam.

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underwood

Apr-03-14 10:27 AM

I hope a few reasonable members of the left continue to post. I’d miss their contributions to our discussions.

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mahs81

Apr-03-14 10:22 AM

Amazing how a simple change in policy by the local paper shows the bent of both sides. Those on the right will carry on because we do not expect anyting for free while our liberal friends will no longer participate because they feel they are "entitled" and should get something for nothing.

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bobbae2

Apr-03-14 10:21 AM

"any DEMOCRAT that is stupid enough to buy this "Right Wing" slanted newspaper,website is wasting their hard earned money!"

LOL, Democrat hard earned money, definite oxymoron.

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bobbae2

Apr-03-14 10:18 AM

"Just like the liberals do for the Blacks."

Most blacks vote for the party that keeps them enslaved in poverty. Many blacks embrace the religion that sold their ancestors into slavery, Islam. The explanation for that is what?

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MECURY2

Apr-03-14 10:16 AM

Well, I guess it's time to say "Goodbye" to all my GOP aka: Tea Party members who comment on this website. Now you can talk to each other because any DEMOCRAT that is stupid enough to buy this "Right Wing" slanted newspaper,website is wasting their hard earned money! It's going to be tough arguing with each other especially when you can't loose the arguement! It's been fun. Fire away, this is your last shot!

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bobbae2

Apr-03-14 10:12 AM

" Democrats are more favorable toward moderation and compromise."

I would like an example of one Democrat compromise.

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underwood

Apr-03-14 10:12 AM

Enigma, I’ll add to your good points that making people comfortable in poverty is keeping them from moving into the middle class. The left has it exactly backwards on the cause of the shrinking middle class. Supporting all of the war on poverty programs is taking funds from the economy needed to support growth, employment and upward mobility.

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enigma

Apr-03-14 10:00 AM

Johnny, What you say is completely biased. Republicans can point out precisely how big government has hurt society as a whole and people in particular. Democrats assume a benefit because they intended it. The war on poverty is a failure, because liberal poverty programs keep people in poverty. Benjamin Franklin said that the best way to get people out of poverty is make them uncomfortable in it. Democrats are working hard to make people comfortable in poverty. This hurts the poor by keeping them poor and the rest of society by preventing the productivity that would occur if the poor were to escape poverty. It's not vague ideology, it's reality.

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underwood

Apr-03-14 9:53 AM

Individuals and corporations will contribute to causes they’re in agreement with; that’s how it ought to be.

It was crony capitalism in the form of Wall St. bailouts that started the Tea Party Movement in the first place.

The left interprets anything not leftist radicalism as right wing extremism.

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mahs81

Apr-03-14 9:04 AM

"They get working class people to vote against their own interests." - Shulski

Just like the liberals do for the Blacks.

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johnnyad3

Apr-03-14 8:59 AM

"It appears to me the Tea Party supports lower tax burden on the people, less government spending, and balancing our Federal budget."

I think both sides of the aisle can go along with that sentiment. It's how you get "there" is the difference.

I read an interesting report the other day from two political scientists; Grossman and Hopkins. Their conclusion was that republicans view government/politics with a mindset of ideological purity and principle. Democrats are more favorable toward moderation and compromise.

This is probably no surprise. Republicans express their beliefs about government as abstract ideology, for example big government is bad. Democrats express their beliefs in the form of benefits for society.

We've had disagreements/debates about the role of government since our country was born. And we will continue to debate on how to get "there" for a long time.

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enigma

Apr-03-14 8:54 AM

"They get working class people to vote against their own interests." - Shulski

How is encouraging growth in the economy against the interests of working people? Liberals have such a distorted view of how things work, it's frightening. They assume that gigantic government is needed and the the if the rich don't pay for it the middle class will have to. What they don't get is that the money all comes from the middle class anyway. If you tax corporations they just get the money from the middle class, because that's where the money is. If they could just understand that, maybe they wouldn't be so enamored with big government. Big government takes freedom and money from the middle class, so it's really the liberals who are voting against their own interests.

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Capricorn1

Apr-03-14 8:19 AM

I notice the resident liberals are gone. I guess if you don't get it for free then they want no part of it.

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