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Unequal

April 12, 2014

In this great country, everyone is born with certain rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness....

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JohnHilfirty

Apr-14-14 7:19 PM

I wonder what it feels like to consistently be on the wrong side of history?

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mikekerstetter

Apr-14-14 3:23 AM

Keep in mind that the stigma comment was in reference to your comment about homosexuals going through horrible and negative things. I simply said that I disagree because that stigma is mostly gone, and I used the OOW pregnancy as a comparison. I never said that I think the stigmatism should remain. In fact, my comment was "And that's as is should be, no one should be treated badly."

The rest of that comment was related to environment, as you asked Tex to explain how environment was responsible for homosexuality.

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LauriH

Apr-13-14 7:34 PM

Mr. Kerstetter I know that you are not trying to offend anyone but without getting to personal some of the things that were said came off as very offensive. I agree that there are health risks involved with being homosexual but they are the same diseases and risks that heterosexual pass to each other through sex with numerous partners, so that affects both groups. I think education and tolerence instead of stigmatizing a certain group of people is the answer. Everyones story of how they came to be is different and I am glad the world is starting to be more accecpting of others.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-13-14 6:21 PM

Lauri, it's not my intent to be offensive, just honest.

Whether you agree or not, pregnancy out of wedlock and being gay was once considered taboo. For that matter, so was having sex outside of marriage. As each has been accepted and, in some cases, celebrated and encouraged, each has gained in participants.

Having children out of wedlock, in particular, is a real problem here and elsewhere as it creates poverty. The African American community is hit hard by this phenomenon at a 72.2% out of wedlock birth rate. Not all, but a lot of those rely on governemnt assistance to get by.

On the homosexual side, there are many health risks associated with homosexual sex. Aids and Hepitus are just the tip of the iceburg.

So, no, I am not calling for the persecution of anyone. But I do feel that we need to be honest and open about the effects of certain behaviors. I'm sorry if that seems offensive to you.

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LauriH

Apr-13-14 5:14 PM

So Mr. Kerstetter are you saying that if in fact a "stigma" still existed there would be fewer gays? I am starting to take offense to your using the "pregnancy out of wedlock" statement you have used something like that before. So you think if we persecute these people for having a baby outside of a marriage or being gay they will just stop and go away? For instance should we go back to the time when it was ok to call children born out of marriage a bastard? Or someone who is homosexual a ****** or a *****? If you think that would do it or somehow deter the actions I think you are only fooling yourself. As for the environment being more accecpting and friendlier about certain things, I think that is progress.

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ericwilliamsport

Apr-13-14 3:52 PM

ROFL. Ok man. Whatever it is your are talking about.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-13-14 3:39 PM

LauriH-"Texas please tell me what role "environment"has to do with you choosing to be gay? If anything you would think will all the horrible and negative things that are said and done to gays it would be a no brainer to choose not to be gay, if in fact it was a choice, which it is not."

I disagree. There is no longer the great stigmatism associated with being gay that there once was. Being gay is mainstream now. Not to say that there aren't people who bully and look down on homosexuals, but there isn't the great negativity that there once was. And that's as is should be, no one should be treated badly.

But, on the question of environment, there is no question that when behaviors that were once taboo become accepted and the norm, more people are willing to try them out and/or participate. Out of wedlock pregnancy is a prime example.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-13-14 3:28 PM

ericwilliamsport-"Mike, thanks for quoting Leviticus again, as you make my point for me. If you live by this book as you have so purposefully used them to argue your point of view, then let's not just pick and chose the ones that you believe in and ignore the others."

You're welcome. What you are missing, though, is that Jesus took the punishment for the sin on the cross. That doesn't mean it's no longer a sin, only that the punishment under the law has been taken away.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-13-14 3:22 PM

LauriH-"Mr. Kerstetter I would like to ask you the same question that I asked Texas, if being gay or bisexual is a choice then being heterosexual must also be a choice correct?"

No, being heterosexual is by design, as I have stated before, by having reproductive organs perfectly mated.

Having sex is a choice. I chose to have one partner and stay with her for life. I didn't choose to have several partners nor to have sex with a man.

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ericwilliamsport

Apr-13-14 12:59 PM

Mike, thanks for quoting Leviticus again, as you make my point for me. If you live by this book as you have so purposefully used them to argue your point of view, then let's not just pick and chose the ones that you believe in and ignore the others.

Any person who curseth his father or mother must be killed ~Leviticus 20:9

Leviticus 20:[18] If a man lies with a woman having her sickness, and uncovers her nakedness, he has made naked her fountain, and she has uncovered the fountain of her blood; both of them shall be cut off from among their people.

Leviticus 21 17-24 are treasures... [17] "Say to Aaron, None of your descendants throughout their generations who has a blemish may approach to offer the bread of his God. [18] For no one who has a blemish shall draw near, a man blind or lame, or one who has a mutilated face or a limb too long, [19] or a man who has an injured foot or an injured hand, [20] or a hunchback, or a dwarf, or a man with a defect in his sight.

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LauriH

Apr-13-14 11:07 AM

Texas please tell me what role "environment"has to do with you choosing to be gay? If anything you would think will all the horrible and negative things that are said and done to gays it would be a no brainer to choose not to be gay, if in fact it was a choice, which it is not. Are you saying if you are a boy and you grow up in a male dominated household you won't be gay? Or if you are a boy and you grow up with just mom and sisters you will choose to be gay? I am really trying to understand your logic but I can't. So best of luck with your beliefs on gays, but just know that it is not reality 2014.

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LauriH

Apr-13-14 9:37 AM

Yes Texas it was stated that our reproductive organs matched, so we were able to reproduce as to mean to me that was the top priority of life for all.Not true.

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LauriH

Apr-13-14 9:31 AM

Texas I have done some reading also and I have found out that yes you are correct in saying that identical twins share many exact traits but only 80% of those, so you see there is always room for descrepencies or differences between identical twins. My oldest daughter went to kindergarten with a child who was a Hemaphrodite( sry not sure if I spelled that right) meaning the child was born with both genitalia( again spelling) knowing the family we were aware that the parents were making the decesion to have the child live as a boy and went through extensive surgeries to physically alter him. The child is now 22 years old and he is attracted to men, so is he a "freak of nature" he had no choice, so how do you explain his situation after all God made us all in his image correct?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-13-14 9:30 AM

"I did not realize the only reason we are here is to reproduce." --LauriH

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Now you are going extreme; I don't believe that anyone stated that is the "only" reason. Likewise is is great when two or more women (girl friends) can share their feelings and thoughts, mentor, and learn from each other. Or two or more men (male bonding) can experience an activity together and learn from each other.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-13-14 9:17 AM

"if being gay is a choice when did you make the choice to be heterosexual?" --LauriH

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I can't say the exact point in time but I guess the answer would be it was a progression; sometime between 5 and 10. Growing up on a farm, and seeing male and female animals mate and having offspring was natural. Seeing mothers and fathers with their children in public seemed natural.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-13-14 8:57 AM

"some twins are identical and some are fraternal, some have many different traits or likes and dislikes just like everybody else." --LauriH

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I specifically pick identical twins because they have the same genes/DNA. Faternal twins have some common and also different genes. If one identical twin has blue eyes, the other has blue eyes. If one has red hair, the other has red hair. If one has a high IQ, the other has a high IQ. It is genetic, short of an accident or external change. Whereas if being gay was genetic then 100% of the time the identical twin would also be gay. The data has shown less than 50% of the time the other is gay. This would point to environment being a contributing factor.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-13-14 8:55 AM

"Do you think what happened to Matthew Sheppard was justified because he was gay?" --LauriH

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I had to read up of him since I was not familiar with him. The answer is that he should not have been murdered and the people responsible for the crime should be punished.

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LauriH

Apr-13-14 6:38 AM

Mr. Kerstetter I would like to ask you the same question that I asked Texas, if being gay or bisexual is a choice then being heterosexual must also be a choice correct? Then my question to you is what age did you make that choice to be heterosexual? Gay people can have children also maybe not in the way heterosexuals reproduce but by using donors and surrogates. I did not realize the only reason we are here is to reproduce. Many heterosexual couples I know made the decesion to not have children, so are they going against the reason for being put on this earth? I agree with you when you say we will never agree on this subject but I do not think you are ignorant, maybe a little old school but I can respect that.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-13-14 5:43 AM

LauriH-"Mr. Kerstetter being born gay is not "bad behavior"."

Lauri, we disagree about being born gay. We are designed male and female for a reason. Our reproductive organs are matched for a reason. I believe that homosexuality, like bisexuality, is a choice one makes.

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LaughIn

Apr-12-14 9:53 PM

Please do not read more into my post, Texas! If I had a pleasant, smart, well adjusted gay student, I doubt I would invite them over for dinner to tempt my questionable grandchild. We all have more to be concerned about and someones sexual preference isn't it.

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LauriH

Apr-12-14 9:40 PM

Texas I support the ones I love, if it causes you no harm personally why does it bother you so much who someone shares a bed or a life with? If you don't aprove of being gay, don't be gay if it is choice that should be easy enough for you correct?

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LauriH

Apr-12-14 9:32 PM

No Texas that is called "self control" and taking vows before God, to do just that. I feel I did answer your questions.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-12-14 9:09 PM

"The Bible tells us all to love one another". --Laughin

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Yes it does and we would, but it may not mean that we endorse or support the actions.

If a relative was an alcoholic and you had them over for dinner, would you offer them some alcohol? If someone had given up smoking, would you offer them a cigarette?

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mikekerstetter

Apr-12-14 9:03 PM

ericwilliamsport-"The abomination before God comment is a crock."

Leviticus 18:22- Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13- If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination:

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-12-14 9:02 PM

LauriH, you avoided my questions.

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"like susie not bobby"? I don't buy it, its not a choice."

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So if you like the way Susie, Julie, Megan, Mary, Danielle, Kathy, Ann, Laura, and Sally all look but stay faithful to Susie, it's a choice.

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