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My welfare

April 17, 2014

I cannot count the number of times I have read letters-to-the editor that condemn socialism and “excessive” government spendin....

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pinecr

Apr-21-14 2:17 PM

SilverFeather..Social Security was not meant to be given out to illegals in this Country and welfare was not meant to be handed out like a paycheck to deadbeats who refuse to look for a job...there are three generation welfare families...this is the biggest problem this country has. I, for one, am tired of paying for their easy way of life. I say give them drug tests...if they fail, they are off of welfare, and also hand out military meals for them to eat...I can assure you most will get off the program fast.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-19-14 10:42 AM

"I respectfully disagree with both of you and still want all of mine back". --SilverFeather

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I think that everyone would want back what they contributed but it has all ready been paid out to your previous generation.

So will you stop withdrawing from SS when you hit the level that you have put in or will you expect to keep taking out to meet your expenses.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-19-14 10:37 AM

Spike2,

It may require retooling to a more of a supervisory, administrative type, or training role than doing back breaking physical work. It may be willing to accept lower pay to match output. Or it may require a part-time role. I guess that George Soros, Warren Buffett and Rupert Murdoch ought to have retired. Oh and what about Hillary Clinton; should she be put out to pasture?

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SilverFeather

Apr-19-14 9:52 AM

Texas: "SilverFeather, you are wrong." Thank you for repeating Monkey wrenches correction. I respectfully disagree with both of you and still want all of mine back, if not in incriments then Paid in Full in a lump sum! They have no right to take from anyone, such as civil service workers who have paid in and then say they cannot collect. Send them a check for what they donated so they may then put it in an IRA.

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spike2

Apr-18-14 10:36 AM

Texas - FYI, I already did. 73 is to old. You imagine yourself to be a perky, robust, picture of health at 73. Frankly, that is not the case for most. We need the younger people working to keep solvency. Life expectancy has little to do with mental or physical acuity. It has more to do with medical advances. Yes, some could still work at 73 but my guess is that is the minority. We only need so many baggers at the grocery. Most of those who could continue are in the upper positions. I can firmly state I do not want a 73 year old surgeon.

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spike2

Apr-18-14 10:36 AM

Texas - FYI, I already did. 73 is to old. You imagine yourself to be a perky, robust, picture of health at 73. Frankly, that is not the case for most. We need the younger people working to keep solvency. Life expectancy has little to do with mental or physical acuity. It has more to do with medical advances. Yes, some could still work at 73 but my guess is that is the minority. We only need so many baggers at the grocery. Most of those who could continue are in the upper positions. I can firmly state I do not want a 73 year old surgeon.

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MECURY2

Apr-18-14 9:53 AM

It's "OBAMA'S" fault!!

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mikekerstetter

Apr-18-14 3:34 AM

I'm a day late, but two thoughts:

1) How does not paying 40-60% in taxes equate to "being permanently attached to the government teat"? I just don't get that thought process.

2) Re the Social Security system: if the system is designed to be used immediately and the money isn't 'invested', why did the US Government 'borrow' so much of the Social Security money and the SS administration holds the IOU's?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-17-14 9:11 PM

Spike2, if you want to retire before 73, do it on your own savings. Let SS kick in at 73.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-17-14 7:03 PM

SilverFeather, you are wrong. MonkeyWrenh post at 8:47AM is correct.

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cheyenne

Apr-17-14 5:52 PM

"They were paying 40-60% in taxes, sometimes more and the middle class was alive and well." - SilverFeather

I believe the mass exodus of decent paying manufacturing jobs to cheap, foreign labor, has hurt the middle class more than what the tax rate on the wealthy has.

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underwood

Apr-17-14 3:35 PM

Does MonkeyWrench mean a mechanical background?

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MonkeyWrench

Apr-17-14 3:00 PM

It's Easter-time...a suggestion...let's all resolve to show each other mutual respect in this comment section...regardless of our points of view. Happy Easter.

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Ritty77

Apr-17-14 2:12 PM

I had heard the unfunded liability figure to be closer to $90 trillion, but I could be wrong about that.

Regardless, these and other deficits need to be addressed, but the DC leadership aren't addressing it. Some don't even think debt is a problem. No budgets, continuing resolutions; kick the can down the road and run up the credit card.

Any solution must include robust private sector economic activity, but America's trend toward higher taxes, more regulations, more programs, and big government in general works against economic growth.

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MonkeyWrench

Apr-17-14 1:12 PM

My final thought on the subject: The Board of Trustees of the Federal Old Age and Survivors' Insurance Trust Fund estimates that the unfunded liability for Social Security over the next 75 years is $9.7 trillion and the unfunded liability for Medicare over the same period is $34 trillion.

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MonkeyWrench

Apr-17-14 10:53 AM

Mr. Underwood...I appreciate your practice of disagreeing and making your points without ever calling someone names or insulting them. Thank you.

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Alsever

Apr-17-14 9:47 AM

Enigma--you have a lot of nerve to call someone names when you don't have the guts to use your own name! Bet you are a typical coward Republican!

Bestr thing this country could do is to take voting PRIVILEDGE away from all the old senile people who will vote for anyone as long as they promise them free medical care and monthly checks. This country does NOT need 80 million people over 40!

Want to Join Anti-AARP?

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enigma

Apr-17-14 9:35 AM

Tim is either the worst liar I have ever encountered or he has a very selective memory. He obviously doesn't remember calls to reform SS and Medicare to which he and those he would vote for cry that Republicans hate old people. I have called for the elimination of Social Security, at least as a retirement program. I have also called for the elimination of Medicare. But that is only the beginning of Tim's deception. He claims that those programs make up nearly half of the federal budget. While that is correct, they are funded with a separate tax and have been more than self supporting until the last couple of years. The fabled Clinton surplus was all from excess SS funds which were stolen to pay for deficit spending in the rest of the budget (they called it borrowing, but since it will never be paid back, it is more accurately stolen). Ironically, I agree with Tim even though he doesn't agree with himself. People need to stop protecting their government handouts.

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underwood

Apr-17-14 9:24 AM

Tim, your letter asks a good question, but doesn’t provide any suggested solutions. These programs aren’t necessarily socialistic, but are the result of collectivist thinking. When any reductions are made to programs like these, the critical part has to be the transition from what we have now to what we’ll end up with, since many have been forced to participate in them and entire industries are built around them.

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MonkeyWrench

Apr-17-14 8:47 AM

Quote from the Cato Institute: "the current Social Security system is what is known as a “pay-as-you-go” system. It is not a savings or investment system, but a simple transfer from workers to retirees. The payroll taxes from each generation of workers are not saved or invested for that generation’s retirement, but are used to pay benefits for those already retired. The current generation of workers must then hope that when their retirement comes, the next generation of workers will pay the taxes to support their benefits, and so on."

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MonkeyWrench

Apr-17-14 8:43 AM

Except for this: "Social Security is a program in which money is TAKEN OUT OF ONE PAYCHECK and PUT INTO A GOVERNEMTN ACCOUNT for later use."

You contributions were used for retirees and workers are paying for the retirement of current retirees.

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MonkeyWrench

Apr-17-14 8:38 AM

Re Silverfeather's comments.

I agree completely. My attempt at irony in "My Welfare" obviously failed completely.

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SilverFeather

Apr-17-14 8:15 AM

toTEXASfromPA, you obviously don't understand what Social Security is. I'll explain. Social Security is a program in which money is TAKEN OUT OF ONE PAYCHECK and PUT INTO A GOVERNEMTN ACCOUNT for later use. So you see, the money is NOT a handout, but as you said a program where people "save money for their own future retirement and medical needs." So you see, we put into that program. Maybe you didn't, but I sure as beans did and I want mine back!!! If they can't give it to me slowly, they need to refund my entire amount!

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SilverFeather

Apr-17-14 8:10 AM

continued: Happy Easter!

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SilverFeather

Apr-17-14 8:10 AM

The letter writer dilusional. To see the biggest problem, you need only look at the past. In the 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's, when this country was enjoying it's "hay day" the wealthiest 1-2% were not attached to the government teat permanently! They were paying 40-60% in taxes, sometimes more and the middle class was alive and well. We are living the results of decades of Reaganesque welfare tax handouts to the wealthiest in this country. The more we give to that greedy small percentage of people, the LESS they give back. You see, we have trained to uber wealthy to think they deserve a handout! We watched this on the news last weekend in Nevada when a wealthy rancher took up with an out of control militia and threatened our Federal Marshals when they tried to take his welfare away! So you see, it's come down to this: It's ok for the wealthy to keep taking, but the people who really are in need, will do without. Btw, these are "Christians" saying this. LOL Happy Ea

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