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April 18, 2014

As a retired Social Security recipient, I heard again today a politician speak about how Social Security will "run out of money by 2021....

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FortySixand2

Apr-20-14 10:25 AM

Blacks and minorities voting....Scary! Skinheads and militia aiming guns at BLM so welfare king cattle man can keep feeding on government teat for free....Freedom Fighters!

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FortySixand2

Apr-20-14 10:21 AM

Don't try to help the poor and downtrodden...just shame them. Problem fixed!

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-19-14 9:33 AM

"LOL, try to be nice on this Easter weekend Boobie it is what God would want you to do." --LauriH

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So on a different topic, why is Easter special for you?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-19-14 9:28 AM

"Erik did I say increase intitlements?" --LauriH

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LauriH, when you turn around in the same breathe and ask the question "Why is unemployment extension such a big deal for you?", it gives the impression that you want to extend these benefits indefinitely; and this is increasing entitlements.

Also, if you could answer Phil's questions with more specifics like should unemployment benefits should be for XX months time period. Or do you propose they go indefinitely?

When you say "Again when the economy gets stronger and more people are back to work, then is the time for reform.", how do you define stronger economy or when the time for reform would be? Is it a certain unemployment rate, is it a certain debt limit, is it a certain reduction in people receiving benefits? Your definition, Phil's, Erik's, Bobbie2's, and mine may be different. Specificity would be nice.

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underwood

Apr-19-14 9:21 AM

Lauri, did it ever occur to you that the reason the economy isn’t recovering at a pace that would solve a lot of people’s problems is because of the increasing entitlements, regulations and the ACA? If we don’t take steps to turn it around, it’s only going to continue to lag on and you’ll keep asking why now?

Making those trying to put a limit on government growth look like mean, selfish, conservative extremists may have a short term political advantage, but it will only exacerbate our problems.

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LauriH

Apr-19-14 9:16 AM

So now you know how I voted? Just because I have care for my fellow americans who are struggling does not mean that I feel unemployment benefits should go on forever, but I feel 26 weeks is not alot of time to try to find a decent paying job to support a family especially in this economy. Thats all, I have to eat my ice cream before it melts,which I thought you did in the Wizard of Oz? LOL, try to be nice on this Easter weekend Boobie it is what God would want you to do.

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bobbae2

Apr-19-14 8:51 AM

LauriH and people like her have for the last century elected POLS that have destroyed millions of American jobs with laws and regulations. The same POLS have also degraded society to the point where almost 60% are on the government teat. But hey, as long as they're promised free ice cream they will continue to vote the same way.

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LauriH

Apr-19-14 8:49 AM

Erik did I say increase intitlements? No I just question why cut them now? Who is now painting with a broad brush? Why is concern for people who are in financial trouble because of job loss such a bad thing for you? Why is unemployment extension such a big deal for you? Why was it ok for our former president (Bush) to extend benefits and no question of where the money would come from? You said it Erik decreasing job opportunity and a weak economy is exactly why the extension should be passed.

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eriklatranyi

Apr-19-14 6:46 AM

LauriH and the liberals cannot see the link between expanding entitlements and decreasing job opportunities and a weak economy.

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LauriH

Apr-18-14 9:25 PM

Mr. Underwood I have tried to give you my answer but I guess I am not explaining it well enough for you. So my question to you would be why now? Will the economy just collapse if the gov't extended unemployment or did not cut as much funding for food stamps? As I said to you before there is nothing else to cut besides these items? So as I said numerous times yes the programs need reformed but why at this moment in time? Why take from the neediest of people at a time when many are still recovering from the recession, yes they still exist also. Again when the economy gets stronger and more people are back to work, then is the time for reform.

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underwood

Apr-18-14 2:11 PM

Lauri, my question to you has long been where do you think we should put a lid on these programs and I haven’t seen where you or anyone else has offered an answer to that question.

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underwood

Apr-18-14 2:04 PM

Discrimination laws along with being “over qualified” were the reasons I couldn’t get past the receptionist, let alone get an interview. I spoke with a headhunter and he didn’t hold out a lot of hope for me getting past those obstacles. HR people are afraid that if they interview an older person then hired a younger person, they might get sued or be charged with discrimination. I’m very skeptical of arguments about raising the retirement age for that reason.

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LauriH

Apr-18-14 1:59 PM

So everyone who is employed by the gas company has experience? Many of these jobs are laborers and as I said how many 58 year olds can compete with 20 year olds? Mr. Underwood where did I say you said "lazy,shiftless bums"? I am saying the general attitude on here is that anyone who collects any of these so call intitlements must just be lazy, or not out looking for a job, and I said I believed that not to be true. So would you rather have your tax dollars going to find out " how different people react to reading romance novels" or to programs that actually need reformed but actually help people? I am not "painting with a broad brush" but the way some people on here feel about these programs leads me to believe that many just do not care unless it effects them. So because someone makes a poor decesion we should just say to bad for you? I am glad I am not made to think like that.

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ericwilliamsport

Apr-18-14 1:32 PM

Agism is illegal, if the person is capable of doing the job. If the 58 year old doesn't have the skills as you mentioned, I don't think I'd hire them if they were 16,18,21,25,35,95.

I'll say again, learn computer applications. If you can operate Microsoft Office efficiently, you're in the game. If you don't have access to the computer or MS Office, ask a family, friend, former co-worker, area agency on aging, the library, the job search centers.

I'd hire a 58 year old who had limited skills but did have good proficiency in the MS Office applications.

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underwood

Apr-18-14 1:26 PM

Lauri, when did I ever say that people utilizing these programs are lazy, shiftless, bums? You’re painting with a pretty broad brush. My question right along has been where do we reach a point where we have to put a lid on entitlements.

The circumstances we find ourselves in today have a lot more to do with decisions made along the way than with luck or good fortune. Luck and good fortune only help if you’re prepared to recognize and take advantage of them.

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LauriH

Apr-18-14 12:19 PM

The last thing I will say about this is Mr. Underwood do you really in your heart believe people just sit around and say "I am just going to sit around and let others take care of me"? I believe in my heart yes there may be some but the vast majority on programs such as welfare,SNAP,unemployment are there not because of choice but a bad situation, I have not become so synacle of people that I believe people enjoy using a food stamp card to pay for there food or having to go to " a clothes closet" for free clothes or have their home foreclosed on or having their car repossessed, because those people exist to. I am sure I am wasting my breath and my day off so to you Mr. Underwood and others have a nice Easter weekend.

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LauriH

Apr-18-14 11:57 AM

Cont.. Age discrimination is illegal I thought but it does happen. How many gas companies want to hire a 58 year old man, with no skills for that job? This man is not a lazy man he is quite intelligant and not afraid of hard work, but as we all know age creeps up on you and your physical stamina fades somewhat as we get older,do they look at him as a prime candidate for a job? I'll bet no. Give companies tax incentives to hire the "older" work force, give tax incentives to go back to school and learn a new trade. The answer is not to totally cut funding for these programs. I do not understand the mentality of not helping our own citizens but are so quick to run to other countries aid.

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LauriH

Apr-18-14 11:46 AM

Mr. Underwood some such as yourself were not as lucky as to have 1 year severance pay or be so close to retirement age, the answer is not to cut these people from any help at all, that will not help in the recovery of this country. I feel more job re-training for older workers who are displaced by job loss could be an answer, but yet again where would the money come from, taxpayers, and I am all for that. All the people out there believing that somehow these people who are collecting these gov't benefits are living high on the hog should spend 1 month in their shoes and really find out what horrible situations some people are really in instead of assuming that everyone who collects these benefits are just there for a hand out. A friend of mines husband has been out of work for almost 2 years, he is 58. He was called for an interview by a local company only to be told by the interviewer that "he was much older than the last person interviewed" what should one say to that?

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LauriH

Apr-18-14 11:31 AM

I actually know quite a few 70+ aged people who are still working to suppliment their social security. I am not against social security at all steeleman I was merly addressing the letter writers attitude against other gov't programs designed to help people. It seems he was only interested in a program that he benefits from, and suggests stipulations for those programs in which he deems unneccesary. Seems rather heartless that he would be against the supplimental food program that feeds families and children but as long as he gets his he is happy.

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underwood

Apr-18-14 11:28 AM

I was sixty-one when my company needed to downsize and several of us were offered early retirement. We knew the alternative was a lay-off. Since the early retirement package included a year’s severance pay, it bridged me over until I could draw SS. I returned to Williamsport and hoped to find employment so I could work into my seventies, but to no avail, so I signed up for SS. I had a pension and a decent 401K balance to help out. I feel for anyone losing their employment in their sixties and hope they did sufficient planning to allow them to get by.

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underwood

Apr-18-14 11:12 AM

Lauri, I don’t think anyone is trying to eliminate these programs, just put some sort of limit on them. The extreme altruistic and collectivist thinking would have everyone having their needs met at the expense of others as long as there are others able to finance those needs. As the economy is further drained by government it will be less apt to recover.

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LauriH

Apr-18-14 10:49 AM

Mr. Underwood I believe many of these programs help some to see a future for themselves. If the programs that help people get through the rough patches are totally cut off how is that going to help the economy? People need jobs to support their families and unless you work for the gas company these types of jobs are not easily obtained. Many people who are on unemployment have their age and education level actually against them. Not many buisnesses are looking for a 50+ aged person to hire, sad but true. The people who lost unemployment benefits in Dec. were not weaned off the program they were totally cut from it, how is that helping anyone? My comments were to the letter writer, I am not against older people collecting social security at all, but what about the people who worked all of their life and loses a job for whatever reason why are we so quick to cut the emergency unemployment extension program instead of reforming it?

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Steelman

Apr-18-14 10:43 AM

who said he was forced into retirement?..........LauriH

Oh your correct everyone wants to keep a 70yr old on the payroll, and good luck getting hired if you are that old.

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underwood

Apr-18-14 10:34 AM

Lauri, do you think the economy will recover sufficiently to bring economic sanity if government continues to take ever larger portions of it and borrows from it’s future?

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LauriH

Apr-18-14 10:25 AM

Steeleman who said he was forced into retirement? I merly stated if thats how he feels then I would prefer to have my deduction put aside for my retirement after all I have worked 30 years is SS going to be there for me? We all pay taxes that fund all of these programs, do some need reformed? Yes they do but why constantly on the backs of the unemployed and underemployed? Yes Mr. Underwood I believe that there needs to be a reduction in gov't programs across the board I am sure there are many programs that we are not even aware of that is nonsense spending. I believe that programs geared to help people are not the ones that need to be drastically cut at this time. When the economy picks up at a steadier pace.

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