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Keeping state under control

April 19, 2014

The “State” does not take power from us. We give it to them....

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FortySixand2

Apr-20-14 10:13 AM

Pure comedy gold! Watching cons and libertarians trying to converse in shades of gray! Obviously not something you folks are used to doing. We live in a world of a billion shades of every color and have to contend with the power hungry, black/white worldview of authoritarian followers. You folks can't even have a conversation when its outside the black/white world you reside in.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-20-14 6:11 AM

richardson-"Mike I am not talking about the reality of what we stand for. I am talking of the reality of acting out what it is that we stand for. Saying that, "I am pure as the wind driven snow." often changes once we realize the heat. or, is it the earth warming? tic."

There is an obvious lack of understanding on both our parts. The message of your letter and what you said you were trying to convey, at least in my eyes, don't match. I think you are missing the point I was making there. With the lack of understanding currently present, there is really no reason to continue the debate.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-19-14 9:05 PM

Richardson, in looking at your 1:24 post, it seems to be different enough from the LTE that I thought they were different. I guess the S/G editing made some changes to the LTE.

From most polls and other articles that I have read in the past, most church goers are more charitable than most, at least from a percentage standpoint.

Again this seems to be off topic from the right, elderly, and government in the LTE. There are many democrats and republicans that are church goers.

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richardson

Apr-19-14 8:57 PM

Mike I am not talking about the reality of what we stand for. I am talking of the reality of acting out what it is that we stand for. Saying that, "I am pure as the wind driven snow." often changes once we realize the heat. or, is it the earth warming? tic.

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richardson

Apr-19-14 8:44 PM

Well Merc: Saying ,"It is all Obama's fault" is akin to saying "It is all Bush's." Without further explanation you come across as a troll, or worse, a Shamus.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-19-14 6:23 PM

richardson

1) I didn't comment on the title of your letter. I was commenting on the content and subsequent comments by you.

2) Maybe you are, but the letter and what I read it to say doesn't align with the reality of what the right stands for.

3) What does that have to do with the subject of your LTE?

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MECURY2

Apr-19-14 5:36 PM

richardson,Hey,If you're going to be something, in this case a "complete"a.s.s I guess that's the best I can be,complete. All I'm doing is letting people know that President Obama will never be RIGHT on the political side or anything he does now or in the future! No one is ever 100% but, the RIGHT has proven that statement wrong. According to these "wacko" Tea Party nuts he is always wrong. I guess I hit a nerve by your comment,right? "Hillary 2016"and "GOD BLESS AMERICA",the home of the free!! I guess I shouldn't say "free",I sound like a liberal,you know the ones that want the free lunch or healthcare!

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richardson

Apr-19-14 4:22 PM

Mercury2: You are a complete a..s..s.

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richardson

Apr-19-14 4:20 PM

Mike: 3 things: 1. I didn't put a title to my letter. The SG used my first sentence as the title. 2. I dare say I am farther right than you, a registered Libertarian, to which I will say that what comes out of our mouths should be reflected in our actions no matter. 3. Today's letters on my computer are not in today's printed edition.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-19-14 2:15 PM

Well, if that is what the context of your letter is supposed to portray it fully missed the mark.

What I read is that the far right supports policy that has the Government 'taking care of' children and the elderly. That is grossly false.

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richardson

Apr-19-14 1:24 PM

Mike and Tex: "Right" ideology is not my criticism. Hippocracy is. How many examples do you need? Christains that profess their beliefs whose actions after church. belie their faith? Or politicians who genuingly believe before office, who comprimise those beliefs after. Temptations are real. Whether a contract in marriage or business or with Jesus Christ all of us act dishonorably at times. It matters not whether you think that all your friends on the right are saints. It just ain't so. It is not what we profess that atracts attention, but how faithfully we act in carrying out those professions.

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MECURY2

Apr-19-14 11:07 AM

It's "OBAMA'S" fault!

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mikekerstetter

Apr-19-14 10:27 AM

Richardson, I still disagree with your assessment that far right ideology would have a person hiding assets so the Government would step in and take over. It's the far right that advocates less entitlement and a smaller government. Every right leaning person I know advocate everyone paying their fair share and closing loopholes for everyone. Allowing government/the rich to pay ones way is definitely a liberal ideology.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-19-14 10:03 AM

Cont>>

responsibility to the government are wrong.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-19-14 10:02 AM

"I guess it has to do with "Honor" and "Faithfullness" and "Loyalty". When times get tough are we "Always Faithful" to our own beliefs or do we tend to rationalize in our favor?" --Richardson

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Richardson, with this being Easter time and Jesus was on the cross and his mother was there watching, Jesus was still taking care of his business and responsibility up to the end......."When Jesus saw his mother standing there beside the disciple he loved, he said to her, “Dear woman, here is your son.” And he said to this disciple, “Here is your mother.” And from then on this disciple took her into his home." Luke 19:26-27. Jesus knew that his elderly mother had to be taken care of and he asked the disciple John to do it. He didn't ask the government to do it.

Initial responsibility falls to the children. Those that are only worried about the will and estate and how to get their hands on it and then shift elderly responsibili

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-19-14 9:49 AM

"Observe the many elder care lawyers whose business it is to hide assets for the children which result is that parents become "Wards of the State"." --Richardson

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It sounds like the blame should be placed on the children for stripping all the wealth from the elderly parents so they can not be taken care of and dumping them as "Wards of the State". The blame should not be at the government, nor the left, nor the right.

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richardson

Apr-19-14 9:45 AM

Well Tex: I guess it has to do with "Honor" and "Faithfullness" and "Loyalty". When times get tough are we "Always Faithful" to our own beliefs or do we tend to rationalize in our favor? Regardless of our politics. Need proof? I don't think so.

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richardson

Apr-19-14 9:21 AM

Well Mike: Since I am a regular in "Letters" and since we often agree, your response beginning with "these people" kind of tics me off. My letter did not adequately make the connection between so-called right thinking and the rationalizations we tend to make in our favor no matter that it is for our pets, our children, or our parents. Observe the many elder care lawyers whose business it is to hide assets for the children which result is that parents become "Wards of the State".

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ToTEXASfromPA

Apr-19-14 9:11 AM

This letter makes various claims but I would like to see more substantiation to back them. In addition, there are probably various factors for each case.

For instance, will sons and daughters be able to move in with the elderly parent to take care of them? Where do they live or is it better for the elderly parent to move in with them? Do the elderly parents have enough money to pay for adequate services to someone to come in (part-time or full-time) and take care of them? Or does the author think the state should pay for care (no matter the price) to come to the home of the elderly and take care of them there? Who pays and who has time?

Or in this society that continues to make leaps and bounds in secular humanism and has a relative regard for the importance of life based on value to society, will euthanasia become the fashion to deal with those that are older and need more care? Will healthcare be preferentially withheld from those that are older?

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Premier

Apr-19-14 7:00 AM

Well I hope the DNC doesn't read this. I can see their mid term and 2016 elections commercials showing the GOP front runners ripping babies from the arms of their mothers and throwing them in Gulags.

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mikekerstetter

Apr-19-14 6:32 AM

Jude Richardson-"What particularly bothers me is that many of the far right persuasion also favor state decisions that rip families apart, contrary to the beliefs espoused, that, as much as possible, the government should stay out of our lives. Worse: Is that we rationalize selfishly that caring for those we love the most is too much, for which we then "reluctantly" pass our responsibility to the State."

Where do these people get this stuff from? It's the left and their increasing demand for more government, more intrusive government, that brings about agencies who tear families apart.

It's the far right who points out that it's single parenthood, divorce, etc., that puts a strain on families both emotionally and financially.

Or is it that what Jude is really saying is that we ought to be taking care of 'our own' with someone else's money?

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