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HISTORY IN THE MAKING

1st same-sex marriage license issued in county

May 22, 2014

Rebecca Brocious has worn a wedding band for eight years. There is a photo album to commemorate the day, with Brocious in her wedding dress, smiling at the camera....

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LaughIn

May-26-14 1:58 PM

Mike-how do I say this kindly, go pounce the fire pole buddy!

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Dewey1950

May-26-14 11:03 AM

@mike kerstetter. Thanks for proving my point, lol.

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mikekerstetter

May-26-14 10:58 AM

* not addressed in the bible should read "not addressed in the New Testament"

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mikekerstetter

May-26-14 10:57 AM

Dewey1950-"The very fact that you then take the opportunity to repeatedly espouse scripture is a passive-aggressive way to "attack" homosexuals."

And again, since you apparently missed it, my participation began when Andy, wrongly, stated that marriage (and homosexuality) was not addressed in the Bible. I provided scripture to show he was wrong. The discussion then ensued.

You can throw the 'hate' label, or the 'homophobic' or the 'attack' defense all you want. Been there and done that. It doesn't intimidate me. In fact, when that is all you have to refute anything I've posted in scripture, it tells me that it's become clear to you that you've lost the argument. Nice try, but better people than you have tried that tactic.

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mikekerstetter

May-26-14 10:50 AM

andy33-"SOMEONE posting here clearly does NOT understand the concept of the NEW Covenant and the reason for Christ...."

You're right, Andy. It's time you do some more studying and research. The reason Christ died for our sins isn't so we can go and do anything we wish. His death and resurrection didn't change the definition of sin, nor did it make something that was a sin no longer a sin. Nowhere does the N/T or Jesus say 'I've taken your punishment for sins, now go do whatever you wish.' You are clearly mistaken if you believe that is what the Bible says.

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Dewey1950

May-26-14 10:48 AM

@mikekerstetter .... the entire article is about the fact that laws banning homosexual marriage are unconstitutional. There is nothing in this article about the Bible, nor anything imposing any restrictions on churches. The very fact that you then take the opportunity to repeatedly espouse scripture is a passive-aggressive way to "attack" homosexuals. To continually cite Biblical passages -- again, nothing to do with the law of man or this article -- in support of the "wrongness" or "badness" of homosexuality is attacking people. You've just been at it so long you've learned how to say your hate sweetly and try to couch it in "bless their hearts."

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LaughIn

May-26-14 9:03 AM

God Bless America! Thank you Veteran's and all of those serving this Country currently. Have a great Memorial Day

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andy33

May-26-14 8:46 AM

SOMEONE posting here clearly does NOT understand the concept of the NEW Covenant and the reason for Christ....this is exactly how "Christians" get a bad name...

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mikekerstetter

May-25-14 4:24 PM

“Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.” - Pastor Rick Warren.

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mikekerstetter

May-25-14 3:51 PM

MsWright-"@mikekerstetter. Opinions are one thing. You are attacking people, on the basis of religion"

I've attacked no one. Not only haven't I attacked anyone, I've called out Dewey1950 for, and reported, the post in which he divulged personal disparaging information regarding the couple that the article is about. That post subsequently has been removed.

Show me the post where I've attacked anyone. I'm certain you can't.

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MsWright

May-25-14 11:30 AM

@mikekerstetter. Opinions are one thing. You are attacking people, on the basis of religion, when this article is about a legal matter. You are bleating over and over about religion and homosexuality, clearly very happy to have a(nother) platform to spew your zealotry and hatred. You can dress it up all you want saying it's God's word / law, but it's just a soapbox for your own bigotry and homophobia. It's none of my business what your beliefs are, and thank God it is no longer the business of judgmental Bible-thumpers like yourself what the fundamental rights of LGBTs are.

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mikekerstetter

May-25-14 11:25 AM

andy33-"Mike...Please get a grip...we all get it...you have a narrow view of the teachings in the Bible and refuse to come out of the darkness of the judgmental Old Covenant. Geez..that was the entire purpose of the Christ...to save everyone from the folly of the Old and have a NEW life....What about this don't you seem to understand!"

Perhaps the question "what about this don't you understand?" is something you should be asking yourself. Despite the fact that I have listed several scriptures calling Homosexuality (among the long list of sins) a sin from the New Testament, you keep insisting that homosexuality is only an Old Testament sin and no longer exists. The fact is, it remains a sin. Only the law regarding the sin has changed. We are no longer called to administer punishment for the sin. But we are called to spread the Gospel and let people know what is a sin before God.

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mikekerstetter

May-25-14 11:18 AM

MsWright, you are entitled to your opinion, as am I. The argument that we are 'homophobes' is an old standby with no basis in fact. There are many things listed in the Bible as sins. Simply pointing out that something is a sin doesn't make one a hater no afraid of the person committing the sin.

As to your comment about scriptures on this particular post, I was simply addressing the posts of Laughin and Andy33. If you don't want to read my posts, feel free to skip over them.

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MsWright

May-25-14 10:02 AM

@mikekerstetter. You are not simply posting your beliefs. You are being passive-aggressive, and using the Bible to justify your own homophobia. You are using scripture over and over to tell homosexuals they are "bad," and "wrong," and "unchristian." Which is despicable enough on several levels, not the least of which is the fact that this article is about a legal issue, the changing of a law. It has naught to do with what any particular church or religion believes or behaves. Perhaps you should go thump your Bible somewhere else; you're giving actual Christians a bad name.

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andy33

May-25-14 8:40 AM

Mike...Please get a grip...we all get it...you have a narrow view of the teachings in the Bible and refuse to come out of the darkness of the judgmental Old Covenant. Geez..that was the entire purpose of the Christ...to save everyone from the folly of the Old and have a NEW life....What about this don't you seem to understand!

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mikekerstetter

May-25-14 6:57 AM

According to 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, we are all headed to the lake of fire for eternity for one sin or another. But thanks to Jesus Christ, who agreed to serve as the Sacrificial Lamb and died for our transgressions, we can have salvation and eternity in heaven if we accept Him and have that personal relationship with Him.

I believe that a part of that personal relationship is striving to change our sinful behaviors. Jesus told the prostitute that he wasn't condemning her, He forgave her, but then told her to go and sin no more.

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mikekerstetter

May-25-14 6:49 AM

When one accepts Christ, they are 'Born Again' and they become a 'new creature' in Christ. They repent and depart from their old ways. They strive to be Christlike. Now, none of us are perfect and we all fall short and sin. But the premise is that we are trying to like a sinless life.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11Don’t you know that people who are unjust won’t inherit God’s kingdom? Don’t be deceived. Those who are sexually immoral, those who worship false gods, adulterers, both participants in same-sex intercourse, thieves, the greedy, drunks, abusive people, and swindlers won’t inherit God’s kingdom. That is what some of you used to be! But you were washed clean, you were made holy to God, and you were made right with God in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Truthfully, I don't know the answer to 'can a practicing homosexual go to heaven?' or 'do they have a personal relationship with Jesus?'. Only God knows that answer.

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mikekerstetter

May-25-14 6:42 AM

LaughIn-"Are you suggesting that people in same sex relationships do not have personal relationships with Jesus?"

Not suggesting that at all, because I don't know who has that personal relationship. I do know that some who call themselves Christian and appear to do all the right things don't have that personal relationship and won't get to heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

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mikekerstetter

May-25-14 6:31 AM

LaughIn-"Mind your own, love everyone like your child, and leave the judgement up to God."

Interesting comment. Would you allow your children to do something harmful, unlawful and/or sinful and not tell them what they are doing is wrong? No loving parent would want their children exposed to such stuff, let alone allow them to do it without telling them it's your belief it's wrong. So what is different with me telling someone that their behavior is considered a sin according to both the O/T and the N/T?

Further, you, and others, keep telling Christians that they are being judgmental if we point out that scripture clearly call homosexuality a sin. That is not a Judgment, it's a fact. But aren't you being judgmental towards the Christians who've posted here?

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LaughIn

May-24-14 9:30 PM

It's not mentioned in the Bible either! This whole subject revolves around man made mumble jumble to create havoc and cause división! Jesus didn't put us on this planet to be the moral police of our neighbors! Mind your own, love everyone like your child, and leave the judgement up to God.

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mikekerstetter

May-24-14 6:31 PM

Dewey1950-"this change of law has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus. Ever heard of separation of church and state?"

The 'separation of church and state' is not mentioned in the constitution.

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mikekerstetter

May-24-14 6:28 PM

Dewey1950-"@mikekerstetter: Unlike the Biblical arguments you've got going on?"

Quoting scripture as the basis of my belief does not attack the people involved. You took it to a personal level with your divulgence of their personal relationship status. There is no comparison.

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mikekerstetter

May-24-14 6:23 PM

Dewey1950-"secular institutions and people cannot discriminate against homosexuals; they have the same rights and responsibilities with respect to marriage and other privacy issues that us heteros do. And the law has finally been corrected to reflect as much."

They have always had the same rights. The definition of 'Marriage' is what has changed.

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LaughIn

May-24-14 4:48 PM

Texas, I think a lot of the people you refer to have personal relationships with Jesus. According to scripture, if you or I ask for forgiveness each time we sin, we are forgiven

Every persons walk is difficult and it would appear that if one doesn't "fit" the ideal mold, they are going to hell. This is not the case

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LaughIn

May-24-14 4:01 PM

Actually Mr/Mrs Dewey, this is a religious issue and politicians have been using it as a platform to bid votes! It is unconstitutional to say who can marry whom. If it was against the law, same sex marriages would not be allowed ANYWHERE

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