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Disgusted by priorities

June 22, 2014

Being a retired senior for the past 18 years, I become disgusted when I hear any politician or individual constantly repeat that the top priority in this state is a great education for every child....

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trav837

Jun-23-14 5:33 PM

isnt that why your you work and plan a savings for retirement so your not stuck releying on SSI itself,poor planning during your lifetime is not the kids fault,and if they dump more money into SSI its just another form of welfare,while i know some seniors have no choice in matter most could of planned better as we all are required if we dont want to settle for SSI only after retirement

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johnnyad3

Jun-23-14 8:15 AM

Mike-I agree college isn't for everyone. The building trades and their apprenticeships can help a lot of kids. And let's face it, if they learn a trade, it can't be taken away from them.

I do disagree about your comment on class sizes.

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johnnyad3

Jun-23-14 8:09 AM

"Physically, perhaps, but the name-calling cowardice and total lack of critical thinking skills that you represent flourishes."

Ritty-You must be talking about the first three commenters.

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0futm2

Jun-23-14 12:24 AM

Isn't it strange how liberals become conservatives when liberal policies hit their way of life directly.

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Capricorn1

Jun-22-14 8:57 PM

Many kids are graduating with out knowing the basics, something is very wrong in our district. Lauri

Lauri, sadly it's just not Williamsport:

"A recent study issued by ACT Inc., a testing organization measuring “college readiness,” found that less than one-third of graduating high-school seniors met benchmark standards for science, and a majority failed to meet them for math. Even in English and reading, a large minority of students were below a level that would mostly earn a grade of C or better in college-level work." -Bloomberg

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LauriH

Jun-22-14 8:18 PM

Education must not be Williamsports main priority, they proved it when they closed down our elementary schools. How does one justify closing a school that had the highest PSSA scores of all of the elementary schools and keeping open the one with the lowest? No one can tell me it is because of the lack of money for renovations to keep that school open, because as we can all see we have money to burn to build a wall that has no purpose but to support the road behind it and pretty up a major mistake. Oh yes and lets not forget the 3 or 4 new athletic fields we will be getting at the middle and high school, and the state of the art work out equipment at the high school and the climate controlled new middle school. If enrollment is declining enough to have to close down schools, why the need for all the fluff. Many kids are graduating with out knowing the basics,something is very wrong in our district.

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Capricorn1

Jun-22-14 8:01 PM

I don't think anyone is saying that education is not important, but what many are asking, are our children getting a quality education for the money that is being spent? The U.S. far outspends any other nation in the world for education. However, education achievement in the U.S. has fallen to the middle of the pack among developed nations, according to the 2009 Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) report, which ranked the knowledge of 15-year-olds in 70 countries. The U.S. ranked 14th in reading, 17th in science, and 25th in mathematics. Maybe it's time we look for ideas from other countries on how to best educate our children.

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hopeforfuture

Jun-22-14 7:18 PM

Using words more kindly would impress me so much more than the mean sarcastic statements that are made on this cite. Most of the libs appear to be saying that if I don't agree then I am full of hate. The con/tp appears to be informative of what will happen if we continue down the political road we are on.

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Scott36

Jun-22-14 7:16 PM

Education is vital to this country. I believe to say otherwise is just plain crazy. Do we really want to risk being left in the dust by the rest of the world in this department? I personally believe that things could be done better, as Mike stated, Basics should be first, & foremost. Those with higher gifts/talents, should not be held back, etc. But this Country does need to educate our future generations.-Scott

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LauriH

Jun-22-14 7:07 PM

Yes Gavin it does. Not to many posts that I have seen read like a grocery list such as Eriks filled with assumptions and ignorance. Erik and enigma are grown ups if they have a issue with what I said,they can say it.

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gavinf56

Jun-22-14 2:26 PM

"...it was addressed to many who spew this liberal/Democratic hate schmeel every word that they write..."- LauriH

I take it the same would also apply to those who spew the right/Conservative/Libertarian schmeel with every post too?

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Premier

Jun-22-14 1:38 PM

"Assumption Premier. Sounds that way to me." - Rick

Just WHO assumed his political affiliation first?

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LauriH

Jun-22-14 1:24 PM

Sorry if that came off as a personal attack on you Capricorn but it was addressed to many who spew this liberal/Democratic hate schmeel every word that they write,it is hate and straight up ignorance.

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Capricorn1

Jun-22-14 12:49 PM

Laui, I was actually agreeing with you regarding lumping all people into one train of thought, whether it be liberal or conservative. I think it paints with too broad of a brush and I always use the term many or some. But I also went on to say that there are those that DO blindly support their party no matter what and they are the ones painting with broad brushes. Not sure what your disagreement is with what I stated.

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LauriH

Jun-22-14 12:18 PM

You know what Capricorn we are not politicians, we are just every day people voicing our opinions and they happen to not be the "norm" for this site. So we are all lumped together and all assumed to be stupid or somehow to blame for all of the wrongs of the world, get over yourselves. Maybe you have to say what your "side" wants you to, but many of us on here can admit when "our guy" messes up, I do and I have. This is like an adult bully site. No wonder people leave here. I won't because thats what many of you want, to just sit around and pat each other on the back because you have all the answers, prove it run for president and set us all straight. This is the Letters to the editor site not just for you all who think alike.

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Capricorn1

Jun-22-14 12:15 PM

I disagree with one thing Mr. Kerstetter I do not think the class sizes should increase. -Lauri

Lauri, I agree. It has been proven that class size in K-12 has a direct correlation to academic achievement. I was fortunate enough to go to a Catholic school and my graduating class had 50 students. We averaged 12-15 students per class and student/teacher interaction was very high. I feel that contributed greatly to the quality education I received.

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LauriH

Jun-22-14 12:07 PM

I disagree with one thing Mr. Kerstetter I do not think the class sizes should increase. I do not know what school district you are in but here in Williamsport our teacher/student ratio is more like 24 students to 1 teacher with an aid possibly for a month during the school year. Since kindergarten my daughters classes have always been between 23-25. It has been a few years since my oldest graduated but I am pretty sure they had that amount all the way up to high school. That is alot for one teacher especially in the k-6th graders. When all of these kids are learning at a different rate it would be hard to help the ones who really need concentrated help. It is also not good to hinder the kids who are learning at or above the level for that grade. With the consolidation of the schools here I can't imagine that number of class size decreasing, quite possibly increasing.

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rick424

Jun-22-14 12:04 PM

Assumption Premier. Sounds that way to me.

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Capricorn1

Jun-22-14 12:00 PM

Just because someone votes a certain way does not make them "for" everything that party does -Lauri

I agree with your statement regarding lumping all liberals and all conservatives into on group. However, sadly enough there are MANY that refuse to waiver from "their side" no matter what. There have been countless politicians that have been found guilty of ethical violations and not only do they maintain party support, but they get re-elected. Party support comes before individual thinking for many on both sides of the aisle.

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LauriH

Jun-22-14 11:44 AM

Enigma why don't you shut your pie hole with your "all liberals" crap. It is getting really old. Maybe that is alot of the problem people like you and your "blanket statements". You can't make an assumption that liberals could'nt possibly think the same as you. I happen to feel exactly how you feel about education and not getting our moneys worth so to speak. I agree with Mr. kerstetter so does that make him a liberal or me whatever he is? Just because someone votes a certain way does not make them "for" everything that party does, maybe that is you, but many others are "liberal" in their thinking.

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Premier

Jun-22-14 11:06 AM

" Typical right wing old white person thinking." -Rick

I read all of Weldons LTE's and he is most definitely left of center. Now what?

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eriklatranyi

Jun-22-14 10:25 AM

Universities now spend the first one to two years teaching students things they should have mastered in high school.

It is a growing problem due to the failure of our public education system.not because teachers are bad, but because the union leaders do not care about the children and neither do the bureaucrats in Washington, DC who should be eliminated.

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Ritty77

Jun-22-14 10:18 AM

Very good posts, Mike.

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mikekerstetter

Jun-22-14 10:03 AM

I've said this before, we are hurting our kids, and our economy, by requiring a college education for most of the real world jobs out there. What ever happened to on the job training? And why can't we whittle down our secondary education to be more like vocational schools which focus on the essentials of the job you want?

Less debt when our kids get a job = more money they have to spend which helps our economy. I'm no rocket scientist or economist, but that is pretty easy to figure out.

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mikekerstetter

Jun-22-14 9:58 AM

I agree with Weldon in that our retired seniors should not be burdened with the rising educational costs through arbitrary taxation based on a perceived value of something they have already bought and paid off. In fact, I believe that the whole property tax system is flawed, antiquated, and should be phased out.

And I think the whole educational system is broken. Classes ought to broken up by ability of the students and classroom sizes increased. We need to teach more basics in the primary setting (math, reading, writing and some other basic skills you need to get through life like balancing a checkbook). There should be no need by colleges to make their students take those basic courses in college. We have way to much fluff in our system and not enough focus on the basics.

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