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‘Greed is good’

July 15, 2014

Cal Thomas is a syndicated columnist who often appears on this page. His most recent book is called “What Works....

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mikekerstetter

Jul-19-14 2:55 PM

Yoxtheimer-"It's safe to say that the vast majority of you don't know what your talking about."

Well, that's just absurd.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-17-14 6:48 AM

"Is this a comment section about letters to the editor or a chat room among two dozen participants about just about anything under the sun...but mostly about " Liberals are this" and "conservatives are that." --Monkeywrench

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Without using the words conservative and liberal, that is essentially what your LTE did. "Self interest republicans" vs "oh we really care and feel your pain but don't know how to manage money democrats". You brought up one-time conservative now more moderate Paul Ryan, libertarian Ayn Rand, Christian/evangelical/small government/fiscal conservative/social moderate Cal Thomas. You stirred the pot.

There used to be more writers until the S/G went to paid subscription access to reading LTE.

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CMReeder

Jul-17-14 12:25 AM

"Always the victim. It suits your political ideology well."

Considering you are the one having the snit in the first place it suits you better.

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Nobody

Jul-16-14 11:29 PM

Tex: "Unfortunately when government tries to do this it can (not always) enable people to get lazy because the government doesn't know them at a personal level. The bigger problems causing this are increased federal debt, printing money, high taxes, increased inflation, wasted federal spending on politician favors to political contributors, etc."

All of what you said is very true, and not left nor right. Just true.

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Nobody

Jul-16-14 11:27 PM

Mike: "Nobody-"Yeah, but it was the Republican controlled house that caved and sent the ACA to the President for his signature."

You are wrong on that.

Yes I was wrong. Completely wrong, in fact. Stupid on my part, really. Embarrassingly so.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Jul-16-14 9:48 PM

Monkeywrench,

Our church does have a benevolence fund and helps people pay bills that have lost a job. This is done with discretion and confidentiality. These people are also actively looking for a job.

Unfortunately when government tries to do this it can (not always) enable people to get lazy because the government doesn't know them at a personal level.

The bigger problems causing this are increased federal debt, printing money, high taxes, increased inflation, wasted federal spending on politician favors to political contributors, etc.

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gavinf56

Jul-16-14 6:20 PM

"A second threat from you and over what you consider an unwarranted jab. I guess it matters not what I say Gavin you will take offense to it." - CMReeder

Always the victim. It suits your political ideology well.

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MonkeyWrench

Jul-16-14 4:21 PM

Thank you both.

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Scott36

Jul-16-14 3:43 PM

." Or is this space devoted to specific arguments about the merits of specific issues contained in letters or the home of ideologues on both sides of the political divide defending two different ‘theologies of government” that exist only in their own minds?-MonkeyWrench

Nice way of putting it. It seems that it usually starts out on the content of the letter, then like most conversations, "migrates". Yes, lots of political "ideologies" come into play(myself included). Just my opinion, but this particular area seems, more than most areas, to tilted heavily Conservative. Not that this is bad, but it seems that when an area is too heavily tilted one way or another, political ideologies become almost inescapable. Interesting Point/question posed however.- Have a Stress free, Great Day!!-Scott

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Capricorn1

Jul-16-14 2:18 PM

Tim, this comment section like any other comment section is open to all and unless the SG deems your comment as inappropriate, all comments are welcome. While I don't condone some of the trash that is posted here, it is my choice whether I want to read and contribute. You also have that same choice. However, it sounds like you are attempting to stifle those that don't post in the manner you wish them to. This is still America.

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MonkeyWrench

Jul-16-14 12:36 PM

Is this a comment section about letters to the editor or a chat room among two dozen participants about just about anything under the sun...but mostly about " Liberals are this" and "conservatives are that." Is it all about : "My daddy's stronger than yours and your Mom wears combat boots." Or is this space devoted to specific arguments about the merits of specific issues contained in letters or the home of ideologues on both sides of the political divide defending two different ‘theologies of government” that exist only in their own minds? Of course, that is a rhetorical question.

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Scott36

Jul-16-14 12:13 PM

Tell me, how many bills have gone from the Senate to the House that the House has refused to bring up for a vote?-mikekerstetter

Without any research, one off the top of my head is I believe an Immigration Bill. Simply stating(& point fingers-"they do it too!") that obstructionism is not used by the Republicans, is not much of a defense, IMO-Have a Great day-Scott

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MonkeyWrench

Jul-16-14 11:27 AM

Exactly...

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CMReeder

Jul-16-14 11:14 AM

I thought that Thessalonians passage was about not living and working a Christian life. People were becoming Christians but did not work and live as Christians. Scholars think that people who had converted believed that the Second Coming of Christ was at hand and that they could spend more time preparing for it and be taken care of instead of continuing to work and live as a Christian.

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Capricorn1

Jul-16-14 10:59 AM

Gavin, what I have a problem with is annual bonuses. It encourages Managers to focus on the annual profits and sometimes fudge accounting to get better bonuses. -Phil

Exactly what happened in the VA. Cooking the books for higher bonuses. Only their actions resulted in the deaths of veterans. Why isn't the administration and the DOJ bringing criminal charges? Sorry, I know it's off topic Phil.

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MonkeyWrench

Jul-16-14 10:40 AM

saying

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MonkeyWrench

Jul-16-14 10:40 AM

Finally: what are you saying? Should we starve those who are unwilling to work? If yes, how? I f not, what are you say SPECIFICALLY

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MonkeyWrench

Jul-16-14 10:39 AM

Third: We never know…no, we never know. We never know the reasons for someone’s poverty, need, for their unemployment. And if there is something we can all agree on (why am I hesitant in saying this?); We all believe that we shouldn’t” judge unless we ourselves be judged. Especially in an economy that has three applicants for every job. And if you ar on to a sure one…say the Our Father in its entirety.

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MonkeyWrench

Jul-16-14 10:35 AM

Second, however “2 Thessalonians 3:10 " is best translated, it does not displace the many scriptural passages which require our unconditional obligation to care for ALL God’s poor. As you know, there are scads of scriptural passages like this one: “Give to everyone who begs from you; and if anyone takes away your goods, do not ask for them again.” (Luke 6:30)

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MonkeyWrench

Jul-16-14 10:34 AM

A couple of points:

First: Some scriptural scholars render tis passage: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat” in this way: “Anyone who is not willing to work should not eat.” Not because I would not feed them…but because they ought to be too ashamed to even think about it. The difference is this: The Scriptural sense: “Hey, you lazy bloke, you don’t deserve to eat” as opposed to what I fear and hope you are not saying, which is: ‘Hey, you lazy S.O. B, if it was up to me, you’d friggin starve to death.” It’s the difference between telling the lazy to shape up….and telling the lazy if they don’t we will let them die and good riddance.

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CMReeder

Jul-16-14 10:31 AM

Markets are not making and supporting an environment of growth, research, development or long term goals for companies and businesses. That would go for investors also. They are not looking for long term investing they want short, quick and profitable.

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MonkeyWrench

Jul-16-14 10:30 AM

“2 Thessalonians 3:10 "For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”" Since Paul gave this rule [command] when he was previously living with them, it indicates that something was not right in the past. There were probably those that were able but unwilling to work. So it appeared to be more than an isolated incident that Paul was trying to continually correct.”

Let’s say you’re right. I don’t think so, but I do want to put the participants in this explaining why. Let’s assume “2 Thessalonians 3:10 " is a rebuke to the lazy.

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CMReeder

Jul-16-14 9:02 AM

The financial markets push for that so they can get their bonuses. The markets have pushed harder for short term gains and goals and not long term growth or goals.

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underwood

Jul-16-14 8:39 AM

Gavin, what I have a problem with is annual bonuses. It encourages Managers to focus on the annual profits and sometimes fudge accounting to get better bonuses. I used to have lunch at times with our Accounting Manager and he finally quit rather than do accounting he believed to be unethical, if not illegal. If companies are dumb enough to follow this practice, they’ll pay for it long term.

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CMReeder

Jul-16-14 8:00 AM

"One day we were talking about economic systems and he said that if we could place all the world’s wealth in a big pile and then evenly distribute it, within a couple of years it would end up much the same as before. I doubt if that satisfies your question about wealth distribution, but it has always satisfied me."

Of course it does but that is not what happens. Not all of the wealth is taken and placed in a big pile. But then you can't change drummed in misconceptions of rightwing propaganda.

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