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Second best in fairness

August 8, 2014

There are two things in life that are certain: Death and taxes. Unfortunately, most taxes are regressive, unfair taxes that impact harder on low and moderate income persons....

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Scott36

Aug-10-14 7:22 PM

Thanks Scott..-Nobody

Thank you very much! What I like the most, is a Person such as yourself that speaks their own mind--it gives me hope for this Great Nation!! Take care, & Have a Safe, Care free, Peaceful day!!-Scott

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Nobody

Aug-10-14 5:36 PM

Thanks Scott. I appreciate your support, I do. What's more, you're someone that I would help with anything. Just ask.

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Scott36

Aug-10-14 12:50 PM

For a while, Nobody, it seemed you were coming around and could have a spirited debate. Why are you regressing into a troll?-mikekerstetter

FWIW, It depends on the subject, & how one stands on that subject, to be termed "making sense" on these boards. At least more so on these boards than any other I have been on. The man speaks his mind, is bound to no political party(that I have noticed)and is not out to blend in with the herd--THAT is a no-no 'round these parts.-JMHO-Have a Great day!!-Scott

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Nobody

Aug-09-14 5:49 PM

"Why are you regressing into a troll?"

Remember the Twilight episode where the beautiful girl wakes up on the operating table to find that the doctors are all hideous aliens and they deem her as ugly?

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mikekerstetter

Aug-09-14 4:16 PM

For a while, Nobody, it seemed you were coming around and could have a spirited debate. Why are you regressing into a troll?

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Nobody

Aug-09-14 12:13 PM

It always helps to make sense when one is going to proselytize as Phil does.

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Nobody

Aug-09-14 12:12 PM

In other words, Phil's statement made so little sense that all of you have different takes on what he was saying?

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Scott36

Aug-09-14 11:25 AM

I would think contracts and such actually use very little government resources, the majority of expense in these is the actual drawing up and it cost very little in government time and resource to file.-bobbae2

Maybe not filing, I agree-But when it comes to protecting patents, & copyrights, I can see it getting expensive for all involved. Have a Great day!!-Scott

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eriklatranyi

Aug-09-14 9:59 AM

The contracts themselves do not take up gov't resources....the laws surrounding them do.

I think Phil's point is that the wealthy enact laws that affect contracts in their favor.

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bobbae2

Aug-09-14 7:20 AM

I would think contracts and such actually use very little government resources, the majority of expense in these is the actual drawing up and it cost very little in government time and resource to file.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-09-14 4:53 AM

Phil, I now see what you are thinking. I'm not sure that contracts, other than the cost of lawyers, really use the legal system unless they are broken. At that point court costs are assessed as part of the settlement.

I would think that the middle class and the poor would use more legal services (law enforcement and court system) than the wealthy, but I don't have any empirical data that proves it.

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Nobody

Aug-08-14 9:31 PM

"Phil: "Nobody, I’m reaching the point where I don’t care a whole lot about what you say"

Really? I'll try not to have that effect my posts, or my sleep :)

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underwood

Aug-08-14 8:19 PM

Nobody, I’m reaching the point where I don’t care a whole lot about what you say, but to answer your question, contracts would be worthless without the court system and the rule of law to enforce them. Is that plain enough?

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Nobody

Aug-08-14 8:00 PM

Blah, blah, blah Phil. Blah!

Now, please translate "Wealthy people use the legal system to make contracts enforceable as an example, so a tax would be levied on contracts and stock transactions."

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Nobody

Aug-08-14 7:58 PM

"I think it's misleading when I constantly hear many blaming our nations debt on the Iraq war, or both wars for that matter."

I certainly never said that our debt was solely due to the aforementioned wars. But the fact is, they didn't help a God Darned thing either.

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underwood

Aug-08-14 7:58 PM

Enigma, I’ve long advocated a variable rate sales tax with the rate pegged to the cost of government. That would be in addition to the taxes for other government services I mentioned below. The examples I gave were just that – examples.

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Nobody

Aug-08-14 7:54 PM

Boy, do I wish life were this easy.

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Nobody

Aug-08-14 7:50 PM

Enigma; ""My personal definition of fairness in paying for government is we should be charged for government services we use."

That's ridiculous.

Thank you. Yes it is, and your point is not arguable in the least either.....this, despite the always logical Dr. Phil.

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enigma

Aug-08-14 7:48 PM

"My personal definition of fairness in paying for government is we should be charged for government services we use."

That's ridiculous. How do you pay for law enforcement or for the military? All of the legitimate functions of government are things that don't serve individuals on a chargeable basis.

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Nobody

Aug-08-14 7:45 PM

"Treating people differently under the law is wrong."

So, then obviously you agree that's it's wrong to have a law that allow's a small fraction of American citizens to join a foreign countries military?

And no, it's not off the subject. You brought equality under the law up.

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Nobody

Aug-08-14 7:40 PM

"Wealthy people use the legal system to make contracts enforceable as an example, so a tax would be levied on contracts and stock transactions. "

Oh, you mean THAT kind of logic? I guess it's just me, but I have no idea what that sentence means. Would either one of you mind translating that sentence for me, Mike or Phil? Thanks.

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eriklatranyi

Aug-08-14 7:32 PM

I think most of you missed my point....I was discussing "fairness".

Liberals saw Jim Crow laws as "fairness".

Of course, it was not fair.

Just as if three men voted to rape two women, its democracy. Its an honest vote, but it is not "fairness".

The same is true of the liberal view of "fairness" in taxes. Treating people differently under the law is wrong.

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Capricorn1

Aug-08-14 7:20 PM

But that alone will not be enough to overcome the enormous debt that we've rung up to pay for the Iraq war. -Nobody

While I didn't support the Iraq war, I think it's misleading when I constantly hear many blaming our nations debt on the Iraq war, or both wars for that matter. We now have over 17 trillion in debt and according to the CBO, the cost of both wars will total 2.4 trillion by 2017; 1.1 trillion of that spent on Iraq. That leaves the majority of the debt having nothing to do with the wars.

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underwood

Aug-08-14 6:31 PM

Mike, remember I’m not referring to entitlements. Wealthy people use the legal system to make contracts enforceable as an example, so a tax would be levied on contracts and stock transactions. Businesses that import goods into our market are benefiting from all of the things that make our market attractive and should pay for it. These are a couple of examples, there are many more.

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mikekerstetter

Aug-08-14 6:23 PM

Nobody-"He can't, because it's not true, and frankly, counterintuitive."

Phil and I don't agree on a lot of things, but one thing is for certain, Phil has a logical explanation for his beliefs.

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