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In light of recent revelations of political profiling by the IRS, should the agency be left in charge of monitoring your health care information and eligibility under the nation's new health care law due to go into effect next year?

  1. Absolutely not, the agency has shown it can't be trusted by the American people.
  2. Yes, this was an isolated, though wrong, occurence.
  3. Maybe. Perhaps the public exposure and embarrassment will create a more discipline IRS capable of fullfilling its duties responsibly.
 
 
 
 
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Smid1972

Jul-02-13 11:13 AM

JudgeandJury I agree with you to an extent, let’s put the scenario like this. what if the IRS was targeting people of the Obama administration. Would they not be considered racists? Or predominately wealthy African Americans? Is this still “right” in your mind? What if the IRS targeted everyone in Tulsa, OK? What doesn’t sit right with me is that they were purposely targeting specific groups that tends to disagree with the current presidents policies. So if you disagree with the government then you have to worry that the IRS is going to audit you? If you give the government too much power they will abuse the power and therefore can’t be trusted.

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Judgeandjury

Jul-01-13 3:44 PM

I think the most concerning thing about this "poll" is the incredibly foolish assumption/accusation that the IRS actually did something wrong. When is holding an organization or group responsible for their illegal acts wrong? Sorry, but lots of groups, tea party or otherwise were investigated for wrongly trying to influence politics when their federal status makes that illegal. Ask the real question in the poll. Do we really think they were wrong? NO!

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Smid1972

Jul-01-13 1:20 PM

Ironically though this post was about whether or not the IRS can be trusted and in the end the answer is still no, in my opinion.

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Smid1972

Jul-01-13 1:20 PM

MrShaman so glad of you to join this conversation. The people you refer to as playing the market and getting rich account for less than 5 percent of our population. Most millionaires that live in this country are hard working closet millionaires. Maybe if you have the time you should read the book “The Millionaire Next Door” by Thomas Stanley. The problem in our society is people like yourself think that all Millionaires live in fancy homes with expensive cars and they are doing everything they can to not pay their share, but the reality of that just isn’t so. I guess the same would be for the people who think that all people on welfare do or sell drugs. Again if we put a federal tax on everything we buy and give a tax break for the people that are working then, in my opinion, we would have a fair system where everyone is paying their share. Rich, poor and middle class alike would be paying a “fair share” of taxes. Ironically though this post was about whether or not the IRS can be tr

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MrShaman

Jun-29-13 10:58 AM

"FortySix you are what we call a political hypocrite. You sit there and keep saying how we should nail the rich. Tax them more, make them pay more, but in the end if it were you who had the money you would be doing the same thing." - Smid1972

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You "conservative"-psychics are (always) so amusing!!!

How is it you managed to overlook/"miss" the 2008 Meltdown...or, at least, warn everyone (else) it was coming???

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MrShaman

Jun-29-13 10:43 AM

"Fortysix, why is it every time someone says something political people want to automatically assume it’s a right thing. You say the rich and the corporations should pay their fair dues, which I agree to an extent. But why do we as a society always want to punish the people that have earned their money." - Smid1972

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"EARNED" their money??? You mean those folks who GAMBLED & WON, on Wall Street...you call that EARNED-income????

Fine. Call it "earned", and ALSO expect them to pay the same tax-rates (on their "winnings") as those folks who've (actually) WORKED for their income.

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MrShaman

Jun-29-13 10:36 AM

Smid 72, Why do people on the right stand back and insist that failed economic policies of the gilded age which led to the great depression would now somehow work?" - FortySixand2

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...Especially when they've ALREADY PROVEN NOT to work!

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See:

Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act Of 1999-Part 1 (YouTube)

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Q&A: Leslie & Andrew Cockburn (YouTube)

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MrShaman

Jun-29-13 10:23 AM

"All I am saying is that our government in the last decade plus has been slowly bankrupting us with this administration taking it over the top." - Smid1972

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So...you'd prefer ALL War-spending be hidden under the heading "Special Appropriations" (like BU$HCO did)...so it doesn't show-up in our budget?

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MrShaman

Jun-29-13 10:16 AM

"Smid, you're 100% Right.

Absolutely not should they be allowed to oversee such things." - wwhickok

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So....who should??

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MrShaman

Jun-29-13 10:09 AM

"Actually, it was the discipline that the IRS was using that everyone is complaining about. If you are asking for not paying taxes, while everyone else does, you should expect to have to justify it thoroughly." - billskid

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BINGO!!!!!!!!

Well said!!

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MrShaman

Jun-29-13 10:06 AM

"I’d like to know why the 8% of you think the IRS will “create a more discipline IRS capable of fulfilling its duties responsibly”? The only thing this will do is help them learn how to hide it better." - Smid1972

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...And, what...it'll be much-too-much WORK, to ensure that DOESN'T happen??

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MrShaman

Jun-29-13 10:01 AM

b. = WRONG "occurence"??????

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What...it was "wrong" to monitor data provided by "conservative"-entities...or, it's "wrong" to profile ALL groups who are lookin' for special-treatment from the IRS?

BTW (S-G)....that's o-c-c-u-r-r-e-n-c-e.

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FortySixand2

Jun-27-13 9:28 PM

Just to be clear, the $900 was over and above the several thousand dollars already paid throughout the year.

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FortySixand2

Jun-27-13 9:25 PM

2 years ago, I ended up paying over $900 to the US Treasury after doing my taxes. I grossed in the neighborhood of 85K. On one hand, I didn't mind paying what I owed. On the other hand, I HIGHLY resent wealthy snobs such as Mitt Romney and major Fortune 500 companies hiding their wealth all over the planet in order to get out of paying what they owe. If I'm ok with paying an additional $900, why do these people/corporations wish to be freeloaders?

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rmiller

Jun-25-13 6:58 PM

It would be interesting to know who the total sum of 13% are of people who clearly shouldn't have the right to vote.

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Smid1972

Jun-24-13 12:16 PM

I'll tell you what FortySix, since you are so eager to give handouts, I know some people on Edwin street and 2nd street that could use your tv, dvd player and your car. Are you willing to give those items away? Maybe you can part from your computer as well.

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Smid1972

Jun-24-13 11:47 AM

FortySix you are what we call a political hypocrite. You sit there and keep saying how we should nail the rich. Tax them more, make them pay more, but in the end if it were you who had the money you would be doing the same thing. The rich are no different than any other person, they like to keep a hold of what they have, what they have, in most cases, worked hard for. When a rich person is constantly being ambushed by people like you who want to constantly take their money to hand out to the poor I can fully understand why they would want to put their money out of reach. And to think we let people like you vote. What will our society look like 10 years or 20 years from now when we get tired of busting our butts to give handouts.

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FortySixand2

Jun-23-13 2:17 PM

Still stuck in the robber baron era, I see. Taxation seen as success punishment is what brought us to our current predicament. When will people get it that taxation is the price we pay for a civilized society? We all pay taxes in some form or another. What we've gone away from is taxing where the money is. Big money! And the grand riches promised to all through tax cuts has been proven wrong over and over again. Tax wealth concentration. Its what has proven successful since the very beginning of the concept.

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Smid1972

Jun-22-13 10:08 PM

What you will see is more tax revenue because now you have everyone paying taxes. The working class will have the money to spend, and they will. And corporations will still make their money. Everyone wants to be a robin hood, but nobody wants to see the real picture.

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Smid1972

Jun-22-13 10:07 PM

Fortysix, why is it every time someone says something political people want to automatically assume it’s a right thing. You say the rich and the corporations should pay their fair dues, which I agree to an extent. But why do we as a society always want to punish the people that have earned their money. Tell me why it is that California is paying out more on welfare than what they are getting in for taxes, and it’s supposed to be the liberal state of this country. How many left wing millionaires and leftwing superstars live there that hide their money overseas? But I guess that’s ok because they support the good ole left. How about this, how many illegals are collecting welfare? How many non-disabled people are collecting disability benefits? Every time someone wants to take from the rich to give to the poor, it’s the hard working middle class that suffers. How about we put a federal state tax on EVERYTHING and give a tax break for the people who are working. What you will see is more

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FortySixand2

Jun-22-13 8:02 PM

The answer you're seeking but probably refuse to accept based upon rigid ideological dogma, is TAXES. Let's go back to taxing corporate profits. It won't kill them. They're getting a free ride! If there's one thing conservatives hate, its freeloaders. Major fortune 500 companies literally pay NO TAXES, yet rake in several hundred billion dollars in profits. Major wealthy people hide their money in off shore tax havens(Mitt Romney) because they can't stand investing in America through taxes. They got rich here, yet feel no sense of fairness to give back into the system.

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FortySixand2

Jun-22-13 7:50 PM

Smid 72, why do folks on the right think it is ok to put two wars on a Chinese credit card while simultaneously giving billions away to the wealthy? Why do people on the right stand back and insist that failed economic policies of the gilded age which led to the great depression would now somehow work? Why are some people deficit hawks only when they think its a political tool? Don't get me wrong. Deficits do matter. But not when jobs are more important, or people are hungry.

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Smid1972

Jun-22-13 4:10 PM

To the two people that decided to disagree with my statement below. I'm not sure where you live that you think what I say is wrong. Maybe you don’t have TV or news or media maybe you watch too much of the cartoon network. Not that terrorism that causes death isn’t bad. But the worst thing that can happen to a country that puts money ahead of life is a country in bankruptcy. All I am saying is that our government in the last decade plus has been slowly bankrupting us with this administration taking it over the top. If you think the bombing in Boston is bad imagine a country where $100 won’t even buy you a loaf of bread. If we continue on this path and our government keeps spending money they way they are. “We the people” are headed in an unstoppable downward spiral. We have to take it back! It’s the only way. I’m not talking tea party or democratic or republican. I’m talking the reason our very existence was founded within these borders. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

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gavinf56

Jun-22-13 6:49 AM

"Abusing the "social welfare" organization tax exemption clause should be applied to people such as the Karl Roves and the Koch Bros as well as the little guys who got caught by the admitted conservative republican IRS agent who started the scrutiny in the first place." - FortySixand2

Yea, I remember your outrage when MoveOn dot org and Media Matters got their tax exem...., oh wait, that wasn't you.

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FortySixand2

Jun-21-13 2:48 PM

Its too bad the IRS hasn't been doing it's job even more thoroughly. Abusing the "social welfare" organization tax exemption clause should be applied to people such as the Karl Roves and the Koch Bros as well as the little guys who got caught by the admitted conservative republican IRS agent who started the scrutiny in the first place.

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