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February 6, 2013

In response to Dr. Vosk's comments on the NRA....

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bryan48

Feb-08-13 6:47 AM

Hayes is actually not in the minority on the issue. The US is far bigger than central PA...

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CHayes

Feb-07-13 7:42 PM

I would also add that I don't think that reloading should be prohibited by the scans for buying ammo. People should simply get scanned to buy the powder. I think if people want to roll their own to save cash, they should absolutely be able to.

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CHayes

Feb-07-13 7:37 PM

"All in all I have no issue with any of your suggestions. I don't care particularly for the Biometric scan for ammo purchases, but it would be ground I would be willing to give if it could be proven to be effective."

I had never heard of it until very recently, and I read an amazing article online somewhere about it. Apparently its been tried before, and wasn't really successful simply because the technology wasn't there yet like it is now.

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Josh84

Feb-07-13 1:50 PM

Handgun transfers always require paperwork and the Instant check. You are correct that private long gun sales can be completed without any form of check.

All in all I have no issue with any of your suggestions. I don't care particularly for the Biometric scan for ammo purchases, but it would be ground I would be willing to give if it could be proven to be effective.

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CHayes

Feb-07-13 1:01 PM

And also, as little as I like minimum sentencing guidelines, lets crank up the minimum sentence for straw purchases.

And of course the part that won't be popular. If the laws haven't been enforced properly, then I guess it's time to add some people over at ATF to enforce the laws. Double the number of agents if necessary, or even triple. Whatever it takes.

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CHayes

Feb-07-13 12:57 PM

"and how does this differ from the National instant check system"

To my knowledge, the present system makes exceptions for private sales under some circumstances. Some states have closed that loophole, others haven't. There shouldn't be a loophole in ANY state.

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CHayes

Feb-07-13 12:51 PM

"I am curious, what are the definitions of a Universal background check"

If ANYONE buys a gun in ANY state in the US, at ANY location, or from ANY individual, a background check needs to happen. I'd prefer a card swipe of an ID be part of this, rather than reading info of the face of a card. It's much harder to forge magnetic strip info.

I also feel equally strongly about biometric scans of people buying ammo. Just stick you finger on the scanner for a few seconds. It's no big deal.

And again, I actually agree that the 7 shot maximum clip size in NY state is stupid. It's going too far, as MOST handguns have larger capacity magazines than that. I'd be happy with 10 or 12, or even slightly more. But a law like that shouldn't mean that the vast majority of handguns instantly have legally prohibited magazines.

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Josh84

Feb-07-13 12:08 PM

@Chris,

I appreciate you contributing some well thought out suggestions. I am curious, what are the definitions of a Universal background check, and how does this differ from the National instant check system?

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MrShaman

Feb-07-13 8:50 AM

"Back in the day, while I didn’t always agree with them, I had a great deal of respect for Hippies as they were truly independent thinkers; I can’t say the same about today’s leftists." - philunderwood

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"...leftists..."???????

I think you'll find that MOST 18-to-35-year-old gamers are evenly split; regrading their "politics".

Either way....YOU'RE WELCOME!!!!!!!

See:

Activism: The Legacy of the Hippie Movement in the Sixties

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CHayes

Feb-07-13 8:06 AM

I also think it's worth noting that the steps I'd like to see adopted today, wouldn't likely save many lives tomorrow, because they aren't that strict in the grand scheme of things, but they WOULD save many lives as time went by.

And YES I would like to see a renewed assault weapons ban, probably more because I've seen WAY too much talk about using those particular weapons to try and overthrow some fantasy "tyrant" than because of immediate safety. And yes I would also like to see high capacity magazines banned, but 8 rounds isn't my idea of "high capacity." I think 12 is a better number, but I'm flexible on that.

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CHayes

Feb-07-13 7:55 AM

"Well the hand gun will be next on your list of things to ban and it shows in youth argument."

As I've said here before, I OWN a handgun, but I have to say I'm considering selling it, or destroying it. I'd consider turning it in for destruction, because I think it's a particularly unsafe weapon. It has a slide that's incredibly stiff to operate, and has no safety of any type. I don't really get any pleasure out of it like I get from my shotgun, because I never use it. I wouldn't ever want to sell something that unsafe to someone.

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CHayes

Feb-07-13 7:48 AM

"Well Chris, what law change would you propose to have made a difference in the Denver murders?"

How can I say, as I don't know enough about the circumstances. For example, I have no idea what type of gun was used in the murder, neither do I know where or when it was purchased.

It's possible that the universal background check I'd like to see implemented immediately, would have prevented the woman from buying the gun. Or the biometric scan I'd like to see implemented for ammunition purchases would have picked up something and she would have been blocked from buying the bullets. Or the PSA's I'd like to see rolled out, either through private organizations or HHS, that inform people of the fact that firearms in the home introduce danger, NOT safety to every occupant of a home, particularly for occupants without formal firearms training, might have convinced her long ago not to buy a gun.

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Tedeaux

Feb-07-13 2:58 AM

Well Chris, what law change would you propose to have made a difference in the Denver murders? They were not killed with an assault rifle, how would any of the proposed legislation changes being floated out there have made a difference in this crime other than the eventual ban on ALL guns? You argue that no one is wanting to "take our weapons", yet you want to ban weapons and magazines not even involved in the vast majority of the gun crimes in America. Your logic does not hold water in the overall debate about how to reduce the murder rate in America. It does however indicate that when the murder rate doesn't change after banning assault rifles and magazines with anything more than a ten round capacity, that addition bans will be neccessary to achieve your ultimate goal of no gun violence in America. Well the hand gun will be next on your list of things to ban and it shows in youth argument.

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CMReeder

Feb-07-13 12:04 AM

"To ask for some modicum of sanity from anybody on the left is more than they can muster. You can't expect civility, honesty or rationality, either. These are qualities that leftists do not possess."

LOL Pot meet Kettle!

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CMReeder

Feb-07-13 12:01 AM

Like I said Premier you are one twisted individual.

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WKnapp

Feb-06-13 10:50 PM

To ask for some modicum of sanity from anybody on the left is more than they can muster. You can't expect civility, honesty or rationality, either. These are qualities that leftists do not possess.

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CHayes

Feb-06-13 10:06 PM

And ANOTHER "responsible, law abiding" gun owner:

"Police are investigating a shooting in Denver that left three people dead and another injured.

Denver Police said that that one woman and two children under the age of 10 were found dead at the 4900 block of Pearl Street, according to KCNC. Police described the incident as an apparent murder-suicide involving the mother of the children. There was no indication of additional shooters.

A third child had been taken to the hospital and was in surgery by 8:55 a.m local time."

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CHayes

Feb-06-13 9:55 PM

"No, we are not hurdling toward anything."

Yes actually you are. Your party's hurdling toward a demographic dead end. And according to your very own Bobbie Jindal, you're accelerating things by being "the stupid party". All the wacked out diatribes about needing guns for "tyrants" isn't really helping you out either. Just saying.

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CHayes

Feb-06-13 9:48 PM

"Please explain how some new law will magically coerce law breakers to become law abiders."

So to be clear, any gun control law that would be passed, would have to have some sort of "magical powers"? It would have to immediately stop all crime in the US dead in it's tracks? Oh that sounds fair.

So let's see, you want anti abortion laws, because you want to stop all abortions, and THOSE laws don't have to have any sort of "magical powers", yet stricter gun control laws do?

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CHayes

Feb-06-13 9:44 PM

"As I said, the existing laws and signage have not made us safe"

Then I guess we need some better laws, like maybe universal background checks, biometric scans to buy ammo, and ratcheting up the penalties for straw purchases. Might also help if we actually enforce these laws by maybe adequately staffing ATF.

"Still, nobody can prove that infringing on my liberties will make you or anyone else safer."

Last time I checked, you don't need to provide video evidence to pass a law, and even if one was provided, you and your kind would say it was fake, or part of some larger conspiracy anyway, so what would be the point.

I'd also like to point that people's right to life, trumps your right to unrestricted access to weapons designed only to kill, and destroy.

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nobud74

Feb-06-13 8:58 PM

No, we are not hurdling toward anything. I am older and in no condition to hurdle anything more than a toadstool. However, you have been hurtling toward a rubber room with your comments on gun control. We do not need more laws, rather than cherry picking some sentence and expounding on it, perhaps you could address the entire comment. As I said, the existing laws and signage have not made us safe from those who are intent on doing bad things--these would be called criminals because they break the laws and engage in criminal activity. Still, nobody can prove that infringing on my liberties will make you or anyone else safer. We have always had criminals, and we have always had laws that those criminals ignore. What makes you think with any sort of sanity that they will obey those laws this time? Please explain how some new law will magically coerce law breakers to become law abiders.

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CHayes

Feb-06-13 8:02 PM

" Hayes you are in the super minority on this issue so shut up already. More assine comment like the chain email makes you look petty and small."

Oh yes, how petty of me to want to discuss real issues rather than chain email fantasies about the White House orchestrating the Benghazi attacks, or the Newtown Massacre.

Can you imagine the problems America could have solved with half the energy and time devoted to discussing birth certificates? Radically reducing chain emails might even salvage some of the Republican party from the trash heap of history they've been hurdling toward the past few years.

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CHayes

Feb-06-13 7:57 PM

" Wishing that bad people don't have guns won't make it happen."

We agree. I suppose we need some laws then.

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Premier

Feb-06-13 5:50 PM

Hayes you are in the super minority on this issue so shut up already. More assine comment like the chain email makes you look petty and small.

I'll bet everyone got a chuckle out of that idiotic post.

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nobud74

Feb-06-13 4:41 PM

No, Chris. Your and others' hysterical rantings will not keep you or anyone else safe. Wishing that bad people don't have guns won't make it happen. Infringing on the rights of the law abiding will not make it happen. We have volumes of gun laws now. We have gun free zones now. And, yet, we continue to have bad people do illegal things. The solutions proposed by those who want more govt control do not and will not prevent illegal activities. However, an armed populace that can defend itself is effective as was shown yesterday when a 72 year old man defended himself from 3 armed intruders in Las Vegas.

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