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Behind the state store sale

February 14, 2013

Governor Corbett is proposing to auction off Pennsylvania’s state liquor stores....

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gavinf56

Feb-15-13 2:04 PM

@Chris, the brand is Union and the site is All American Clothing Company. Good people.

On the Levi's and Amazon, fair enough.

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CHayes

Feb-15-13 7:29 AM

"Notice I said on sale Chris. Just bought a few pair for Christmas."

I don't think it's really fair to include Black Friday sales, as prices are so atypical. The $35 price I gave is actually listed as on sale now at amazon, and also it's below retail.

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CHayes

Feb-15-13 7:27 AM

"Or you can buy Union jeans made in the USA for around $35, online only."

I noticed you left off where, and a brand.

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USABorn

Feb-14-13 10:35 PM

MrShaman - 6:46 AM

"Dr. Vosk is well-known for his liberal fantasies."

Two things, Skippy....

1...."U.S. Recovers $4.2 Billion From Healthcare Fraud Probes: Report (Reuters)"

According to ABC's Nightline, et al, medicare fraud is $60 BILLION PER YEAR. Therefore, $4.2 BILLION is a rather pathetic figure.

2......."BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Wendell Potter | PBS (YouTube)"

BILL MOYERS, is well-known for his liberal fantasies."

3........"You should have both digested, before 12:00, and not miss Porky Limbaugh's Comedy Revue."

I TOLD YOU SHAM WAS LISTENING TO LIMBAUGH. What a hypocrit!!! He keeps right up to date with Limbaugh, as he is constantly telling us what he says.

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gavinf56

Feb-14-13 7:13 PM

Notice I said on sale Chris. Just bought a few pair for Christmas.

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CHayes

Feb-14-13 6:03 PM

"You can buy Levi's on sale at Amazon for just over $20."

Just looked on amazon, and the cheapest Levi's jeans I see start at about 35 bucks. And to find that, I brought up Levi's, filtered for jeans, and sorted by price-lowest to highest.

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gavinf56

Feb-14-13 2:39 PM

Or you can buy Union jeans made in the USA for around $35, online only.

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gavinf56

Feb-14-13 2:37 PM

You can buy Levi's on sale at Amazon for just over $20.

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spike2

Feb-14-13 2:34 PM

Levi jeans are "fair trade". If you want cheap stuff keep shopping at WallyWorld.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-14-13 1:44 PM

Personally, I am glad the inefficient, archaic State Stores manages all the wine and liquor, I think that it leads to less deaths on the PA highways.

If privatized, the value is not in the 400 stores; it is in the controlled liquor licenses or franchises, if you want to call them that. Political favorites will get these. The poor locations would be shut down and moved to locations with better accessibility/markets.

The next thing the liquor lobby will push for is longer hours of operation. The second thing they will push for is a drinking age of 18 yrs. Both of these will generate more business and greater highway deaths.

I know someone will say less 18 yr olds will not take that long drive to NY state but there will still be more drunk people-miles on the road and more will die and kill others.

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gavinf56

Feb-14-13 1:24 PM

Chuck, you do understand the difference between "state run" and as you put "state control" don't you?

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mikekerstetter

Feb-14-13 12:34 PM

MimLogue-"Its pension busting not union busting, the pensions on these state employees are costing taxpayers early retirements and paid health insurance is costing business owners more in taxes get on a level playing field .I agree with the governor on this one 100%"

Had the Government funded the pension like they were supposed to for the 10+ years they didn't, there would be no artificial pension crisis. The employees paid in their share of the money that was mandated by law.

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Luey22

Feb-14-13 12:34 PM

Dr. Arno, so Corbett would like to bust unions by suggesting the privitizing of state run liquor stores? That is even a stretch. As for the medical insurance companies, they are a monopoly.

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CMReeder

Feb-14-13 12:17 PM

Phil is dancing around the truth with his strawman.

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CMReeder

Feb-14-13 12:16 PM

Gavin, every state controls the selling of 'spirits' as you put it.

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MrShaman

Feb-14-13 11:40 AM

"Apparently, Dr. Vosk will believe any lie told to him unless it is told by a Republican. The 5% (not 1.4%) overhead in Medicare and the $400 million in liquor profits are both illusions. Unlike the private sector, the government can hide the cost of running things. Most of medicare's costs are paid for by the GSA and HHS. If those numbers were counted, it would be much more than 20%." - enigma

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Try, again, Skippy.

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See (the transcript at):

Bill Moyers Journal . Wendell Potter on Profits Before Patients | PBS

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I think there's a lil' more value in what a "whistleblower" (who was formerly a Public Relations rep for CIGNA) says....as-opposed to what some T-Bagger insists. Even Wendell Potter ADMITS Medicare-admin expenses are "three percent or so."

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VinceKnauff

Feb-14-13 11:37 AM

Shamwow - "Yeah...you let us know, the first time you meet a "leftist" who thinks the state should control the sale of liquor."

Hey Shammie - did you read this letter?

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MrShaman

Feb-14-13 11:27 AM

"So that means that the leftists who cling to the outdated idea that the state should control the sale of liquor..." - GoBB62

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Yeah...you let us know, the first time you meet a "leftist" who thinks the state should control the sale of liquor.

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philunderwood

Feb-14-13 10:15 AM

Getting at the truth isn’t the goal of progressives, convincing themselves and others is their goal. If you believe perception is reality that makes perfect sense; if you believe reality exists independent of anyone’s perception then distorting facts is dishonest and deceptive.

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enigma

Feb-14-13 9:58 AM

Spike2,"All competition does not equal lower prices. Anyone ever buy anything listed as "fair trade"?"

"Fair trade" is a liberal term in which fair means to give the advantage to someone who can't compete and therefore needs an unfair advantage. It is the opposite of competition and that is why it raises prices. It's just like everything liberals call fair, like paying your fair share means paying for everybody else. Don't be taken in by liberal speak, their terms never mean what the words that make them up mean.

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enigma

Feb-14-13 9:49 AM

Apparently, Dr. Vosk will believe any lie told to him unless it is told by a Republican. The 5% (not 1.4%) overhead in Medicare and the $400 million in liquor profits are both illusions. Unlike the private sector, the government can hide the cost of running things. Most of medicare's costs are paid for by the GSA and HHS. If those numbers were counted, it would be much more than 20%. State store costs are largely absorbed by the PLCB so bye-bye 400 million. If the government is so good at running business, then maybe they should run all business, which is exactly what Communists like Vosk want, but it has never worked and never will. Even if it could work it would be the end of freedom. Government's place is not in the marketplace. P.S. If you don't want liquor sold by private companies, maybe we should just ban it.

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philunderwood

Feb-14-13 9:48 AM

Maybe the state should take over something as important as the distribution and sale of food and dairy products. Just think of the amount of revenue that could be generated by that, not to mention the benefits in consumer prices and store efficiency.

I borrowed Gavin’s sarc font

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gavinf56

Feb-14-13 9:31 AM

Hmmm, if it's such a good idea for the state to be selling distilled spirits, perhaps they should get into tobacco products. Just think of the jobs and revenue that would create. (sarcasm font used)

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CMReeder

Feb-14-13 9:30 AM

Is that 1500 individually own stores or several chains running all the liquor sales? Washington still controls the sale of liquor.

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spike2

Feb-14-13 9:04 AM

All competition does not equal lower prices. Anyone ever buy anything listed as "fair trade"?

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